Where Do You Rank on the Male Social Hierarchy?

[Gustaf]

The idea that some men are great because they're so confident and think they have no flaws and others are bad because they won't work on their flaws...sigh.

I wouldn't mind the stupidity so much if it wasn't also really toxic.

Beta Negative, then?

Haha. The irony here is that in the stupid taxonomy of this "system" anyone calling anyone else "Beta negative" is likely to fit this themselves.

And literally nothing under that description fits me.

[Gustaf]

This divides men (I guess women have no personalities or live in some alternate realm of completely different personalities) into 4 basic categories. Narcissistic psychos who are perfect, failures who are still trying, failures who have given up and then people who care about nothing.

Plus the "negative" versions of these types, but they're obviously just part of the scam aspect. There is no room for alternate goals in life, no room for actually being a normal, relatively successful person who is decently satisfied with their life.

And then the scammy scientology descriptions - buy my book and you can upgrade to Gamma+!

I'm not perfect, not even if narrowly defined as American Psycho. Nor is my dream to be a mindless follower fawning over such a person. And I'm also not ridiculous enough to think I'm some liberated philosopher, independent of the rest of humanity. And thankfully I don't spend my time collecting stamps in my mother's basement either.

What's sad though is that real people fall for this kind of BS and damage their lives over it.

[morgieb]

Sorry if the question has been asked, but is this from 4chan?

[Mopsus]

Sorry if the question has been asked, but is this from 4chan?

Naturally. Where else?

[tik 🪀✨]

What's sad though is that real people fall for this kind of BS and damage their lives over it.

It's sad but inevitable. They will latch onto whatever bullsh**t seems to describe their disappointing life experience while offering a satisfactory explanation and solution. If it's not this, it's something else. It's much easier to compartmentalize everything than it is to face an organic, faceless system that doesn't grant you any value on the basis of your existence.

...</sage>

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

what the chirst

[Gustaf]

What's sad though is that real people fall for this kind of BS and damage their lives over it.

It's sad but inevitable. They will latch onto whatever bullsh**t seems to describe their disappointing life experience while offering a satisfactory explanation and solution. If it's not this, it's something else. It's much easier to compartmentalize everything than it is to face an organic, faceless system that doesn't grant you any value on the basis of your existence.

...</sage>

The saddest part is that no one defined as "alpha+" or whatever in these systems spent a minute of their life reading about "male social hierarchies".

[Antonio the Sixth]

Fiscally gamma, socially lambda (normal Atlas INTJ).

I wonder if this chart might help us explain the divide between Eastern and Western Ukraine...

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I don't want to answer this one

[Cory]

It's sad but inevitable. They will latch onto whatever bullsh**t seems to describe their disappointing life experience while offering a satisfactory explanation and solution. If it's not this, it's something else. It's much easier to compartmentalize everything than it is to face an organic, faceless system that doesn't grant you any value on the basis of your existence.

There is no need to bring Tumblr into this.

[Oakvale]

ITT people taking this seriously

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

ITT people taking this seriously

Surprised?

[Antonio the Sixth]

ITT people taking this seriously

The person who made this chart probably took it seriously.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

I wish opebo was here to smash our delusions of grandeur and put us all in our proper category. 

: (

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

TIL there are Nazi furries

PS: I'm alpha as hell, or at least that's what I tell guys on Grindr

[Hatman 🍁]

Beta negative sounds like your typical libertarian.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Beta+

[Thunderbird is the word]

Probably an omarga positive, though I'd like to think I'm somewhat smart and creative, just a bit on the lazy side. I'm well aware of that though.

[Ban my account ffs!]

The idea that some men are great because they're so confident and think they have no flaws and others are bad because they won't work on their flaws...sigh.

I wouldn't mind the stupidity so much if it wasn't also really toxic.

Beta Negative, then?

Haha. The irony here is that in the stupid taxonomy of this "system" anyone calling anyone else "Beta negative" is likely to fit this themselves.

And literally nothing under that description fits me.

You are neither G+ or G-...you are a G string who threads the crack.

[tik 🪀✨]

ITT people taking this seriously

Oh Christ oakvale. Of course everyone in this thread knows it's a silly diversion. That doesn't mean we can't overanalyse it and tear it to shreds for an audience of hardly anyone for no good reason except to feel smug. This is Atlas!

And everyone knows if you venture into seedier parts of the internet you can find lots of sad delusional males who take ideas like "alphas" and "betas" seriously to help them understand the world around them and then change their behaviour accordingly.

[Ban my account ffs!]

This divides men (I guess women have no personalities or live in some alternate realm of completely different personalities) into 4 basic categories. Narcissistic psychos who are perfect, failures who are still trying, failures who have given up and then people who care about nothing.

Plus the "negative" versions of these types, but they're obviously just part of the scam aspect. There is no room for alternate goals in life, no room for actually being a normal, relatively successful person who is decently satisfied with their life.

And then the scammy scientology descriptions - buy my book and you can upgrade to Gamma+!

I'm not perfect, not even if narrowly defined as American Psycho. Nor is my dream to be a mindless follower fawning over such a person. And I'm also not ridiculous enough to think I'm some liberated philosopher, independent of the rest of humanity. And thankfully I don't spend my time collecting stamps in my mother's basement either.

What's sad though is that real people fall for this kind of BS and damage their lives over it.

We have a hierarchy.  Women have a pecking order.  You are the fox in the hen coop.  "Ill defend you ladies from those evil cocks!  See how they hate you and only care about their own hierarchy!?  Good thing you women aren't dumb enough to care about hierarchy!  Just let me have your eggs and I'll show you the truth!"

No woman worth salt falls for that tried old tactic.

Which part of the hierarchy does that put you in Gustaf?  Cuz it puts you in there...you don't get to escape.  In the - column near B.  Course now Im one for suggesting it.  Whatever.

[tik 🪀✨]

Who the hell would Gustaf be white knighting for right now?

[Ban my account ffs!]

Who the hell would Gustaf be white knighting for right now?

His ego.  Trust me.  Pontificating is always about ego.  I'm practically the pope on that so...takes one to know one and all.

[Gustaf]

This divides men (I guess women have no personalities or live in some alternate realm of completely different personalities) into 4 basic categories. Narcissistic psychos who are perfect, failures who are still trying, failures who have given up and then people who care about nothing.

Plus the "negative" versions of these types, but they're obviously just part of the scam aspect. There is no room for alternate goals in life, no room for actually being a normal, relatively successful person who is decently satisfied with their life.

And then the scammy scientology descriptions - buy my book and you can upgrade to Gamma+!

I'm not perfect, not even if narrowly defined as American Psycho. Nor is my dream to be a mindless follower fawning over such a person. And I'm also not ridiculous enough to think I'm some liberated philosopher, independent of the rest of humanity. And thankfully I don't spend my time collecting stamps in my mother's basement either.

What's sad though is that real people fall for this kind of BS and damage their lives over it.

We have a hierarchy.  Women have a pecking order.  You are the fox in the hen coop.  "Ill defend you ladies from those evil cocks!  See how they hate you and only care about their own hierarchy!?  Good thing you women aren't dumb enough to care about hierarchy!  Just let me have your eggs and I'll show you the truth!"

No woman worth salt falls for that tried old tactic.

Which part of the hierarchy does that put you in Gustaf?  Cuz it puts you in there...you don't get to escape.  In the - column near B.  Course now Im one for suggesting it.  Whatever.

Snowguy, you really should take a med break from the forum, I think.

If you choose to think that any man who doesn't express misogyny is doing it to manipulate women (in a setting where there are no women, at that) I think that says more about you, honestly.

And of course there are hierarchies in the world. In the real hierarchy I'm near the top because I'm well-off well-educated white straight cisgendered man. None of that has anything to do with this nonsense though.

This is essentially a scam. The Beta negative category is obviously there so that you can claim that anyone who rejects this "model" is in that category. Anyone obsessed with defending this model from criticism and trying to categorize others as beneath them strikes me as prone to anger, having an inflated ego and the rest of the stuff in the description.

Beyond that I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about, to be honest.

[Oakvale]

I think it should be fairly clear that there are no beta people, only beta actions.