MA: No Heart of Stone Act (Passed)

[TJ in Oregon]

What I see as the problem is this. We failed to separate the abortion discussion from the immigration portion. Laws should not cover multiple subjects in one bill when possible and this still fails that simple premise. I want to have an intelligent discussion over both issues but in order to do that, we need to seperate the two discussions into two different bills.

They should have been two separate bills the first time. The original was passed in a mad rush the last week of the assembly session back last fall. Unfortunately, passing both parts as separate bills is not politically feasible, so we're effectively stuck with either the entire bill or only the immigration parts.

I'd like to point out that even with these abortion restrictions, the Mideast's abortion laws are far, far looser than they were three years ago when abortion was banned with exceptions for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

What I see as the problem is this. We failed to separate the abortion discussion from the immigration portion. Laws should not cover multiple subjects in one bill when possible and this still fails that simple premise. I want to have an intelligent discussion over both issues but in order to do that, we need to seperate the two discussions into two different bills.

They should have been two separate bills the first time. The original was passed in a mad rush the last week of the assembly session back last fall. Unfortunately, passing both parts as separate bills is not politically feasible, so we're effectively stuck with either the entire bill or only the immigration parts.

I'd like to point out that even with these abortion restrictions, the Mideast's abortion laws are far, far looser than they were three years ago when abortion was banned with exceptions for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.

We could quite easily take out the immigration parts and put it in a new bill, leaving the abortion part intact.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

What I see as the problem is this. We failed to separate the abortion discussion from the immigration portion. Laws should not cover multiple subjects in one bill when possible and this still fails that simple premise. I want to have an intelligent discussion over both issues but in order to do that, we need to seperate the two discussions into two different bills.

A agree that abortion legislation and immigration legislation should be separated (that was my original intent behind this bill). I don't think that including the repeal of the MRLA violates this, though, as it includes sections relating to immigration that this bill replaces. The fact that the MRLA includes both immigration and abortion regulations complicates matters, because separating the repeal from this law could create a scenario where we have duplicate laws on the books if the bill to repeal MRLA fails. It seems like the best (though admittedly imperfect) approach would be to keep this bill as is and introduce a new abortion bill as soon as possible. I, for one, will not support measures to include new abortion legislation in this bill.

I echo Assemblyman JCL's call for an intelligent discussion: as representatives of the Mideast people, we should be able to conduct this debate based on facts, not the passions that surround the issues.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

What I see as the problem is this. We failed to separate the abortion discussion from the immigration portion. Laws should not cover multiple subjects in one bill when possible and this still fails that simple premise. I want to have an intelligent discussion over both issues but in order to do that, we need to seperate the two discussions into two different bills.

They should have been two separate bills the first time. The original was passed in a mad rush the last week of the assembly session back last fall. Unfortunately, passing both parts as separate bills is not politically feasible, so we're effectively stuck with either the entire bill or only the immigration parts.

I'd like to point out that even with these abortion restrictions, the Mideast's abortion laws are far, far looser than they were three years ago when abortion was banned with exceptions for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.

We could quite easily take out the immigration parts and put it in a new bill, leaving the abortion part intact.

Which would lead to a better discussion.

[Boston Bread]

I am calling a vote on my amendment which gives greater protections to illegal immigrants. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Aye.

[Hatman 🍁]

aye

[Boston Bread]

Aye

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Aye

[Boston Bread]

The amendment has passed 4-0.

[Boston Bread]

An amendment to separate the abortion and immigration provisions of the right to life act:

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I am introducing this amendment in order to move the abortion debate to another bill.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

I support the effort to separate the abortion and immigration debates.

[Boston Bread]

I am calling a vote on my amendment. Please vote Aye. Nay, or Abstain.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

AYE

[Boston Bread]

Aye

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Aye

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Aye

[Boston Bread]

The amendment has passed 4-0.

[Hatman 🍁]

Aye

[Boston Bread]

It is my opinion that this act is ready for a vote. Any objections?

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

It is my opinion that this act is ready for a vote. Any objections?

Agreed.

[Boston Bread]

I am calling a final vote on this act. The final draft is displayed below.

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Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Hatman 🍁]

aye

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

AYE

[Boston Bread]

Aye