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« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2015, 12:32:52 PM »

Romney alienated many conservative whites because he worked overtime to abandon the base, and his GOTV operation crashed on election day.
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« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2015, 12:36:18 PM »

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I'm a single millennial and I cast a ballot. Didn't do much good, but I diiiid!

I voted last year. Every candidate I voted for from John Kasich to local judges won. Every one of them were Republicans and I am a Millennial born in 1988.
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« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2015, 02:19:38 PM »

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I'm a single millennial and I cast a ballot. Didn't do much good, but I diiiid!

I voted last year. Every candidate I voted for from John Kasich to local judges won. Every one of them were Republicans and I am a Millennial born in 1988.

Plot twist: You live in Ohio, not California.
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« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2015, 02:39:52 PM »

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Admittedly, it's easier said than done lol
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« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2015, 03:00:04 PM »

Romney was a terrible candidate, but it wasn't really because of his idealogy. It was because his campaign had no real purpose or drive, and ended up losing all identity. Even though I followed the election pretty closely, I barely registered a single actual policy from the guy. Although his misfit opponents were severely flawed enough to be bad candidates in their own way, they at least brought something to the table (moon bases! 999! Closing down three five all executive agencies!). Romney, like many 'moderates' of both stripes made a common fallacy: that being wishy-washy and 'pragmatic' and opinionless is good enough. No! You need to actually lead people. A candidates idealogy does not matter at the end of the day. America would just as happily elect a guy as right-wing as Cruz as they would elect a Sanders socialist (as long as he didn't use the 's' word).
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« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2015, 03:29:59 PM »
« Edited: April 26, 2015, 03:31:50 PM by NYMillennial »

When I see posts from liberals saying the GOP will die off when the old folks do, I laugh(and I'm very liberal)...right now, the only branch controlled by the Democratic party is the executive; the GOP control everything else..they also control 31 Governorships and 30 state legislatures....and thanks to gerrymandering, that control will not be relinqushed anytime soon..and as for demographics, White support for Democrats is collapsing at an astonishing rate..so much so that we could see a situation whereby the only white people who vote democratic are gay people and Jewish people...because of all this, I predict a republican gain in the house and senate in 2016

You don't really believe that gay and Jewish crack do you?  Surely you know better than that. Government workers who are white also have a strong interest in the Democratic agenda, along with much of the academic community, the few who still are in private industry unions, those who think global warming is a real threat to the planet, and that major policy changes should be made as a consequence, those who dislike the estrangement of the GOP from persons of color, and/or are concerned with the blurring of lines as they see it, between religious doctrine and secular, data based policy making. That is just off the top. I suspect the GOP is getting close to being maxed out on their share of the white vote, and that particularly as the generations come on and depart, the share of the white vote of the GOP will begin to start receding back. JMO.
I am a  young minority Millennial who works with a lot of White Millennials and they seem to be flocking back to the GOP in droves especially after the recent police/black male shootings....many also seem to like lower taxes more than fighting climate change...it is really sad..and that is why i think the GOP will still make significant gains in the white vote...

Nice anecdote.

My experience suggests the opposite, and I can say the Democrats will make significant gains with the white vote because of it. Since me, my friends, and most of the other young whites I know vote Democratic, I can extrapolate that the white vote will be 70% Democratic once the Silent Generation dies off.

See what using single examples can do?
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« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2015, 03:57:07 PM »

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Ohio great last year. Am happy to see folks like Josh Mandel in office - hope he runs for Senate again some other time
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« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2015, 05:11:29 PM »

Yes, Republicans winning  in the 2014 midterm election around 18 percent of the Voter Eligible Population and about 14 percent of the Voting Age Population really is a ringing endorsement of the Republican Party across the US.



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« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2015, 05:15:45 PM »

Ur party is ded

No ur parti is ded

Ur party is deder thn mi parti
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« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2015, 05:17:46 PM »

Yes, Republicans winning  in the 2014 midterm election around 18 percent of the Voter Eligible Population and about 14 percent of the Voting Age Population really is a ringing endorsement of the Republican Party across the US.




I never said majority of Americans support them; I said I see them dominating elections.
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« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2015, 05:22:47 PM »

Arguably, the GOP has already been the dominant party since 1994.
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« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2015, 05:37:51 PM »

Yes, Republicans winning  in the 2014 midterm election around 18 percent of the Voter Eligible Population and about 14 percent of the Voting Age Population really is a ringing endorsement of the Republican Party across the US.

Where are you getting those numbers from? 36% of eligible voters turned out in 2014.

Arguably, the GOP has already been the dominant party since 1994.

Legislatively, this is probably true (except for a brief period of 2007-2011)
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« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2015, 06:06:13 PM »

Yes, Republicans winning  in the 2014 midterm election around 18 percent of the Voter Eligible Population and about 14 percent of the Voting Age Population really is a ringing endorsement of the Republican Party across the US.

Where are you getting those numbers from? 36% of eligible voters turned out in 2014.

...yes, but what percentage of those voted for Republicans?
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« Reply #63 on: April 26, 2015, 06:43:04 PM »

There is pretty much nowhere left for Republicans to permanently gain white voters. They aren't going to ever win more than 60% of the white vote in a presidential election barring an unusual landslide.

I doubt Mitt Romney is going to be the upper limit.

Do you think the Democratic candidate being African-American rather than white—as the 2016 nominee will be—might be a factor in Republicans' record performance among white votes in 2012?

Hey, I know why you a Dem now, you're both gay and Jewish.  You will be close to the last white Dem left standing. Tongue
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« Reply #64 on: April 26, 2015, 08:46:33 PM »

I believe that the minority of white folks who still vote Democrat after and during the Obama era  racial demagoguery are likely doing so because of social liberalism
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« Reply #65 on: April 26, 2015, 08:56:16 PM »

I'm pretty sure 60% of 18-29 year old white males voted for Romney. He won 54% of 18-29 year old whites and males are more conservative the females.

These fun anecdotes of young white men flocking to the GOP don't really mean anything as young white men were already in the GOP. Reaganfan and CountryClassSF didn't vote for Obama either time and he won anyway. The problem for the GOP is that white men are declining as a percentage of the population every year.
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« Reply #66 on: April 26, 2015, 08:58:33 PM »

I believe that the minority of white folks who still vote Democrat after and during the Obama era  racial demagoguery are likely doing so because of social liberalism
There are also people like me who are tired of the Republican hypocrisy of being always in favor of tax cuts while never putting forward real proposals for cutting programs.  They may be in favor of starving programs so they can be "examples" of government inefficiency, but rarely do they take the politically unpopular step of calling for outright elimination unless there is zero chance they would succeed.

I just don't trust Republicans to be fiscally responsible.
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« Reply #67 on: April 26, 2015, 09:02:13 PM »

I believe that the minority of white folks who still vote Democrat after and during the Obama era  racial demagoguery are likely doing so because of social liberalism
There are also people like me who are tired of the Republican hypocrisy of being always in favor of tax cuts while never putting forward real proposals for cutting programs.  They may be in favor of starving programs so they can be "examples" of government inefficiency, but rarely do they take the politically unpopular step of calling for outright elimination unless there is zero chance they would succeed.

I just don't trust Republicans to be fiscally responsible.

Well, I don't trust them either, because they're not.  They're all beholden to their donors. Personally I am a fan of tax cuts but not without a plan to pay for them.  

Unfortunately Social Security and Medicare entitlements have been engrained in American society for too long. Every time we try to explain that as social security approaches 100 years old in the next decade and a half, we may need to make some changes etc. to keep it sustained, we get blasted by the press and the Democrats and lose the argument.

I think SS turns 80 this year.

I think the Republicans are increasingly avoidant of anything that will anger the left.  This applies across the board.  But see, this is why I support the tea party =)
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« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2015, 09:51:51 PM »

Democrat Party's strategic obsession with racial demagoguery  and 'demographics' have caused a white exodus from the party.  They've been able to stem this enough to cobble together a coalition in presidential years by using the homosexual issue and making things up about the GOP about birth control, et al.

Racial demagoguery? Do you really think that Barack Obama tries it?

The 'white exodus' is basically in the American South. The South has had a very different political culture from the rest of the US, even with places equally conservative at the time.

The problem for the Republican party is that non-white, non-Christian, non-Anglo, and non-straight middle class voters are not going Republican despite fitting most of the traits associated with Eisenhower-era conservatism.

A recent poll showed that roughly 3/5 of the American public support the legalization of same-sex marriage. Republicans are riding a dead horse if they try to exploit that increasingly-irrelevant issue. 

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Problem: someone better described as 'crazy' or 'cruel' instead of 'conservative' can bring Democrats out to vote. 
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« Reply #69 on: April 26, 2015, 10:20:58 PM »

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Yeah, good for you. Keep up the hate and giving California's 5,000,000 Republicans incentive to leave this third world cesspit, so we can move somewhere else and change the direction of the country in the process


Yes, because a state with one of the biggest economies in the world, a state that consistently leads in technological advancement, a state that is regaining population (and Congressional seats!), and a state that tends to be a model for policies soon tried in the rest of the nation is a "third world cesspit".

Come on, you aren't even trying to be a halfway serious troll anymore.
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« Reply #70 on: April 27, 2015, 04:03:43 AM »

Republican wins in 2010 and 2014 were legitimate, obviously. But you can't seriously argue they have a bigger mandate when Democrats comfortably won the last two elections that had WAY higher turnout. Higher turnout, bigger mandate, plain and simple. Call me when the "dominant" GOP comfortably wins a high turnout presidential election and we'll talk.
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« Reply #71 on: April 27, 2015, 10:10:56 AM »

Republican wins in 2010 and 2014 were legitimate, obviously. But you can't seriously argue they have a bigger mandate when Democrats comfortably won the last two elections that had WAY higher turnout. Higher turnout, bigger mandate, plain and simple. Call me when the "dominant" GOP comfortably wins a high turnout presidential election and we'll talk.

How do you know illegal aliens didn't vote in both? They sued to stop voter ID, how do we know they didn't vote?
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« Reply #72 on: April 27, 2015, 10:14:50 AM »

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And without tax incentives and a medit. climate, the tech giants would be out of here.  The left-wing despises them.  

Come down to San Francisco some time and look at our 3rd world public transit system, our 3rd world streets, our 3rd world homeless , that's your Democrat Party
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« Reply #73 on: April 27, 2015, 10:25:26 AM »

I'm pretty sure 60% of 18-29 year old white males voted for Romney. He won 54% of 18-29 year old whites and males are more conservative the females.

These fun anecdotes of young white men flocking to the GOP don't really mean anything as young white men were already in the GOP. Reaganfan and CountryClassSF didn't vote for Obama either time and he won anyway. The problem for the GOP is that white men are declining as a percentage of the population every year.

Romney won the 18-29 year old white male vote with 60%? I doubt it. The statistics I've seen show 18-29 year old whites as a whole only voting for Romney by 2 points.
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« Reply #74 on: April 27, 2015, 10:32:36 AM »

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You're correct-- The 59-60% figure was among white voters as a whole. NBC's exit poll had White 18-29ers at 51% Romney, 44% Obama

http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics/2012/all/president/#.VT5WU63BzGc
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