Hawaii votes to ban cigarettes for those under 21

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Smart move. After all, we know how effective 21 and over laws are for alcohol.

Yeah, I definitely wasn't hammered as a nail Friday and yesterday

I hold no malice for underage drinkers, and I understand why they drink in the face of the dangers, but I am not going to pin a medal on them for breaking alcohol laws and risking their own life in the process.

Drinking alcohol, if you're 21, is not illegal. I welcome responsible drinking and oppose prohibition. But anyone who refuses to wait until their 21st birthday is selfish, and yes, by definition of the law, criminal.

That’s fine. I don’t respect your position or you as a person. You are the moral equivalent of the ISI protecting Osama Bin Laden; you have no regard for the rule of law, and that is important for a truly free society.  

[SWE]

I understand wanting to stop kids from smoking, I get that. But the age of majority in this country is 18 for f**k's sake.

Yes. This.

Granted, we probably ought to raise the age of majority to at least 19, if not 21. After all, the rational used to ram thru the 26th amendment no longer applies since there is no draft. Not that I think it'll ever happen in my life.

... No? Considering that you can work and become part of "the system" at 16, if anything we should be moving the other way with the age of majority. Even if we don't go that path, it at least needs to stay at 18, since this is when most people graduate high school and go off to college and all that moving onto making your own choices. Oh yes, and the fact that pretty much literally every country in the world has it at 18.

The everyone else does it argument? Really?

The age of majority is supposed to reflect when most people are capable of being independent adults. That certainly does not include people still in high school, which is why I favor making it at least 19. For those younger than that who need independence sooner than the age of majority, that is what emancipation of minors is for.
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Why not? We consider high schoolers responsible enough to have jobs and drive, which seems to me like it requires a lot more responsibility than what's needed to sit at home and smoke a cigarette

[SWE]

I understand wanting to stop kids from smoking, I get that. But the age of majority in this country is 18 for f**k's sake.

Yes. This.

Granted, we probably ought to raise the age of majority to at least 19, if not 21. After all, the rational used to ram thru the 26th amendment no longer applies since there is no draft. Not that I think it'll ever happen in my life.

... No? Considering that you can work and become part of "the system" at 16, if anything we should be moving the other way with the age of majority. Even if we don't go that path, it at least needs to stay at 18, since this is when most people graduate high school and go off to college and all that moving onto making your own choices. Oh yes, and the fact that pretty much literally every country in the world has it at 18.

The everyone else does it argument? Really?

The age of majority is supposed to reflect when most people are capable of being independent adults. That certainly does not include people still in high school, which is why I favor making it at least 19. For those younger than that who need independence sooner than the age of majority, that is what emancipation of minors is for.

Why not? We consider high schoolers responsible enough to have jobs and drive, which seems to me like it requires a lot more responsibility than what's needed to sit at home and smoke a cigarette

Arguably deciding to start smoking is a clear sign of immaturity and irresponsibility.
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That doesn't address my point