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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2015, 04:16:39 PM »

old money WASPs in New York are still more solidly Republican. The UES went for Lhota while the UWS went for De Blasio.
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« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2015, 04:26:09 PM »

Is there really a "WASP/Jewish" difference between UES and UWS anymore? 
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« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2015, 04:35:59 PM »

Is there really a "WASP/Jewish" difference between UES and UWS anymore? 

Not really. And if there is, it disappears past the local level.
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« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2015, 04:53:17 PM »

Well there has to be something to explain why the UES is more Republican then the UWS. Maybe just because it's even wealthier.
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« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2015, 05:00:06 PM »

It is wealthier and has fewer artistic/intellectual types.  Both areas are about 30% Jewish - the days of wealthy Jews preferring the UWS because the UES is too WASP/exclusive are long over. 
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« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2015, 05:31:35 PM »

It is wealthier and has fewer artistic/intellectual types.  Both areas are about 30% Jewish - the days of wealthy Jews preferring the UWS because the UES is too WASP/exclusive are long over. 

Yeah, basically.

I think that, at least in our Northeastern urban cores, the latte liberalism of a Park Slope or a UWS is more the norm than the exception. But, sure, when you cross the line from the "merely affluent" 2% of Park Slope to the "stinkin' rich" 0.02% of the Upper East Side, then yes, things change.  In large part because, in comparison to that "stinkin' rich," the denizens of your Park Slopes don't feel rich.

Even if they are, by any less myopic standard.
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« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2015, 05:40:25 PM »

Pointless article. Sanders isn't the race to win and he knows this, otherwise he would have run as an Independent. He wants to debate Clinton on national TV.

His chances are obviously extremely slim regardless, but he'd have a better shot at winning as a Democrat than an independent. If he somehow managed to win the nomination, he'd at least start with 40-45% of the vote. As an independent he'd be lucky to crack 5%.

I'd say his slim chances are higher as independent. The intrigue of a serious independent candidacy brings out high turnout from people who normally check out of the political process. 1992 was a huge year.

He'd have an easier time convincing 30% of Democrats, 30% of Independents, and 10% of Republicans in a general than 51% of Democrats to roll the dice on him being able to win. Both impossible scenarios, but one slightly less so.

Sanders would never get 10% of the Republican vote regardless how he runs...
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« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2015, 06:09:58 PM »
« Edited: April 30, 2015, 06:11:33 PM by King of Kensington »

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That's why upper middle class liberals love the "99%" analysis of Occupy Wall St.
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« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2015, 09:44:58 PM »

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That's why upper middle class liberals love the "99%" analysis of Occupy Wall St.

Which is legitimate IMO. We live in a time where even upper middle class kids get stuck with student loan debt. Every social class other then the "stinkin rich" has taken one step or more down the ladder of economic security in recent years.
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