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Adam T
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« on: May 02, 2015, 04:49:01 AM »
« edited: May 02, 2015, 04:51:10 AM by Adam T »

I think people are capable of recognizing that a writer can have both good and bad ideas.  Charles Murray has made some interesting and original contributions, unlike his perspective on race and IQ which are neither.

While I don't disagree with this, it is also true that it's more than likely that Mr Murray used his credentials and standing to promote b.s racist theories.  Given that it seems he did this on the one occasion it does raise serious questions as to whether any of his scholarship is valid.
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Adam T
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2015, 02:32:41 PM »

I think people are capable of recognizing that a writer can have both good and bad ideas.  Charles Murray has made some interesting and original contributions, unlike his perspective on race and IQ which are neither.

While I don't disagree with this, it is also true that it's more than likely that Mr Murray used his credentials and standing to promote b.s racist theories.  Given that it seems he did this on the one occasion it does raise serious questions as to whether any of his scholarship is valid.

Are you accusing him of just making things up?  The fault is with the interpretation of the evidence.  Herrnstein probably deserves more credit for The Bell Curve than his co-author Murray does, and students still study his work in behavioral psychology.

No.  I am accusing him of claiming that data that he said supported his case were entirely irrelevant.  I don't dispute that he reported the data honestly.
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Adam T
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2015, 07:41:24 PM »

I've taken two IQ tests.  They measure some forms of intelligence but I'd hardly call them definitive. They barely test for creative intelligence and they don't measure at all either so-called 'lateral thinking' or emotional intelligence.
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