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« on: May 04, 2015, 08:14:57 PM »

Why did Obama lose WV by a larger margin in 2012 then 2008? Did West Virginia residents have a delayed blazing saddles like reaction to the fact that the president was black ?
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2015, 08:17:26 PM »

No, coal was king. Obama is widely viewed there as a pawn for extreme environmentalists who want to shut down all coal operations. 2008 was about race.
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2015, 08:58:29 PM »

Did West Virginia residents have a delayed blazing saddles like reaction to the fact that the president was black ?

Oh, come on... please...


They saw Obama's narcissism, and realized they had to vote for the write in candidate.

The narcissistic candidate from "The West" Vote Sheriff Bart 2K12
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2015, 10:02:02 PM »

West Virginia betrayed the country when it voted for George Walker Bush in 2000.

Agreed. I feel the same way about New Hampshire, it was the only state in the Northeast to fall to his Southern compassionate fascism conservatism that year.

To go off on a tangent, Greenlee County, AZ was another place that had voted consistently Democrat for decades until 2000. There is mining there so it was probably Al Gore's perceived hardcore environmentalism that did it, same with Northern Maine.
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2015, 01:19:05 AM »

To go off on a tangent, Greenlee County, AZ was another place that had voted consistently Democrat for decades until 2000. There is mining there so it was probably Al Gore's perceived hardcore environmentalism that did it, same with Northern Maine.

Interestingly they did swing back a little bit to Obama in 2012.  Romney still won it of course.  A lot of those counties to have switched in the last four elections were on trajectories (i.e. a consistent swing to the GOP in every cycle).

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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2015, 01:26:23 AM »

I'm not a big fan of Clinton but from a strategic perspective it was pretty stupid of Gore to distance himself from a hugely popular president. Maybe if he'd let him campaign for him and had run on eight years of peace and prosperity (while possibly taking gun control off the table) he could have held on to Appalachia.
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2015, 06:44:13 AM »

I'm not a big fan of Clinton but from a strategic perspective it was pretty stupid of Gore to distance himself from a hugely popular president. Maybe if he'd let him campaign for him and had run on eight years of peace and prosperity (while possibly taking gun control off the table) he could have held on to Appalachia.


47% of union members in west virginia voted for bush. Gore was desperately trying to win back the nader votes by appealing to environmentalism that he didn't know that once he did so he was dead to Appalachia. Especially to coal mining regions.

http://www.cbsnews.com/campaign2000results/state/poll_wvop-.html
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2015, 08:17:41 PM »

I'm not a big fan of Clinton but from a strategic perspective it was pretty stupid of Gore to distance himself from a hugely popular president. Maybe if he'd let him campaign for him and had run on eight years of peace and prosperity (while possibly taking gun control off the table) he could have held on to Appalachia.

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2015, 08:46:10 AM »

Why did Obama lose WV by a larger margin in 2012 then 2008? Did West Virginia residents have a delayed blazing saddles like reaction to the fact that the president was black ?

Your an idiot for the Blazing Saddles reference. Did the entire country have a delayed Blazing Saddles reference in 2012 since Obama got 4-5 million fewer votes than in 2008??

Ill teach you simple math. Obama won be LESS nearly everywhere that he won and lost by MORE nearly everywhere that he lost.

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2015, 11:53:09 AM »

Why did Obama lose WV by a larger margin in 2012 then 2008? Did West Virginia residents have a delayed blazing saddles like reaction to the fact that the president was black ?

Your an idiot for the Blazing Saddles reference.


So are you for a million other reasons.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2015, 12:05:05 PM »

Regarding allegations of racism in West Virginia....keep in mind that even in 2012 Obama got a higher percentage of the white vote there than almost anywhere else in the South. If he had done as well with whites in North Carolina as he did in West Virginia, he would've won North Carolina.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2015, 12:47:25 PM »

Regarding allegations of racism in West Virginia....keep in mind that even in 2012 Obama got a higher percentage of the white vote there than almost anywhere else in the South. If he had done as well with whites in North Carolina as he did in West Virginia, he would've won North Carolina.

It's also relevant how many Democrats (presumably "Dixiecrats") stayed home.  Looking at the exit polls, there were a disproportionately high proportion of the electorate compared to registration statistics.
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2015, 05:36:16 PM »

Regarding allegations of racism in West Virginia....keep in mind that even in 2012 Obama got a higher percentage of the white vote there than almost anywhere else in the South. If he had done as well with whites in North Carolina as he did in West Virginia, he would've won North Carolina.

It's also relevant how many Democrats (presumably "Dixiecrats") stayed home.  Looking at the exit polls, there were a disproportionately high proportion of the electorate compared to registration statistics.

West Virginia =/= Dixie.
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2015, 05:42:03 PM »

Regarding allegations of racism in West Virginia....keep in mind that even in 2012 Obama got a higher percentage of the white vote there than almost anywhere else in the South. If he had done as well with whites in North Carolina as he did in West Virginia, he would've won North Carolina.

It's also relevant how many Democrats (presumably "Dixiecrats") stayed home.  Looking at the exit polls, there were a disproportionately high proportion of the electorate compared to registration statistics.

West Virginia =/= Dixie.


I think that at least in terms of presidential voting it's become more dixiefied. I mean historically West Virginia did secede from the Confederacy but for many years they could potentially swing Republican when the rest of the south was solidly Democratic and then continued to lean Democratic when the south had started going Republican at the presidential level. I think that voting for the same party as dixie by the same margins has now almost made it culturally and politically more aligned with dixie then at any time in the past.
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2015, 11:46:05 AM »

Regarding allegations of racism in West Virginia....keep in mind that even in 2012 Obama got a higher percentage of the white vote there than almost anywhere else in the South. If he had done as well with whites in North Carolina as he did in West Virginia, he would've won North Carolina.

It's also relevant how many Democrats (presumably "Dixiecrats") stayed home.  Looking at the exit polls, there were a disproportionately high proportion of the electorate compared to registration statistics.

West Virginia =/= Dixie.


Yeah, it is...
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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2015, 04:11:07 PM »

Regarding allegations of racism in West Virginia....keep in mind that even in 2012 Obama got a higher percentage of the white vote there than almost anywhere else in the South. If he had done as well with whites in North Carolina as he did in West Virginia, he would've won North Carolina.

It's also relevant how many Democrats (presumably "Dixiecrats") stayed home.  Looking at the exit polls, there were a disproportionately high proportion of the electorate compared to registration statistics.

West Virginia =/= Dixie.


Yeah, it is...

Evidence?
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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2015, 04:13:17 PM »

Regarding allegations of racism in West Virginia....keep in mind that even in 2012 Obama got a higher percentage of the white vote there than almost anywhere else in the South. If he had done as well with whites in North Carolina as he did in West Virginia, he would've won North Carolina.

It's also relevant how many Democrats (presumably "Dixiecrats") stayed home.  Looking at the exit polls, there were a disproportionately high proportion of the electorate compared to registration statistics.

West Virginia =/= Dixie.


Yeah, it is...

Evidence?

A culturally Southern state that is considered part of the American South that largely follows the political and cultural tendencies of other Southern states ...?
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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2015, 04:19:55 PM »


Which part?

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Not really true, unless you are only talking about very recent history (and even then...)
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2015, 05:04:49 PM »
« Edited: May 11, 2015, 09:41:30 PM by DS0816 »

Why did Obama lose WV by a larger margin in 2012 then 2008? Did West Virginia residents have a delayed blazing saddles like reaction to the fact that the president was black ?

The self-identifying West Virginia Democrats, in large numbers, had that "[Blazing Saddles-like] reaction" during the primaries. The state has a good record in voting for presidential election winners since its first participation back in 1864. (Every two-term president, from 1864 to 2004 carried W.Va. at least once.) But the state, which backed numerous Democrats in Republican-winning presidential elections, is now very much out of touch with the nation.
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2015, 06:04:04 PM »


Which part?

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Not really true, unless you are only talking about very recent history (and even then...)

The Census counts WV as part of the South, FWIW.  I'm not seeing your reasoning for having such an objection to the claim that WV is Southern, LOL ... Have you ever been there?  I'd certainly consider it to be a Southern state...
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2015, 06:14:38 PM »

Did West Virginia residents have a delayed blazing saddles like reaction to the fact that the president was black ?

Oh, come on... please...


Don't you think it's a bit suspicious that West Virginia actually swung Republican, despite there being an incredibly unpopular GOP incumbent and a collapsing economy under him?   
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2015, 06:39:14 PM »

Did West Virginia residents have a delayed blazing saddles like reaction to the fact that the president was black ?

Oh, come on... please...


Don't you think it's a bit suspicious that West Virginia actually swung Republican, despite there being an incredibly unpopular GOP incumbent and a collapsing economy under him?   

Well, Obama was a really bad fit for the state: A hardcore liberal, pro-choice, anti-coal (that's how many West Virginians saw it) Democrat. This, plus the strong Republican trend of the state and Hillary losing the Democratic Primary, and you get a Republican swing. Race might have played a small role too, but not as big as some here claim. 
Well said. I don't see any future Dem representing a significant change from that. Looking ahead to 2016, is there a real chance Clinton might pick Joe Manchin for VP, and will it make a difference in WV if she did?
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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2015, 09:34:48 PM »

Did West Virginia residents have a delayed blazing saddles like reaction to the fact that the president was black ?

Oh, come on... please...


Don't you think it's a bit suspicious that West Virginia actually swung Republican, despite there being an incredibly unpopular GOP incumbent and a collapsing economy under him?   

Well, Obama was a really bad fit for the state: A hardcore liberal, pro-choice, anti-coal (that's how many West Virginians saw it) Democrat. This, plus the strong Republican trend of the state and Hillary losing the Democratic Primary, and you get a Republican swing. Race might have played a small role too, but not as big as some here claim. 

All those descriptions of Obama applied to Kerry as well.
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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2015, 09:42:42 PM »

I think it did play a role, just look at some of the exit poll interviews of racist Hillary supporters after the 2008 primary. Granted in the long run coal played a huge role also.
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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2015, 10:14:10 PM »

Regarding allegations of racism in West Virginia....keep in mind that even in 2012 Obama got a higher percentage of the white vote there than almost anywhere else in the South. If he had done as well with whites in North Carolina as he did in West Virginia, he would've won North Carolina.

It's also relevant how many Democrats (presumably "Dixiecrats") stayed home.  Looking at the exit polls, there were a disproportionately high proportion of the electorate compared to registration statistics.

West Virginia =/= Dixie.


Yeah, it is...

Evidence?

A culturally Southern state that is considered part of the American South that largely follows the political and cultural tendencies of other Southern states ...?

Your arrogance is showing. West Virginia is not a southern state. It's northern area of the state has more in common with Western PA (where I live), and southeastern Ohio . Only Southern WV is "southern culturally" and even then not like AL or MS.
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