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« on: May 06, 2015, 03:44:50 AM »

One of the issues that will be faced by the next UK Parliament, is the renewal of the 'Trident' nuclear armed submarines, which requires a vote in 2016 if the UK is to continue being in the nuclear club.

At present, Britain has four submarines which allows one submarine to always be at sea (allowing the deterrent effect to be continuous). Nuclear missiles are very expensive - swallowing up a significant portion of the Defence budget, that many dislike.
 

The Tories, DUP and UKIP are fully committed to nuclear renewal. The SNP, Greens, Plaid and Respect are advocating disarmament.

The other two are giving mixed messages. Labour, which used to tear itself to shreds over the issue, are giving mixed messages - it has some constituencies which would benefit from the manufacturing of new arms and much of its traditional wing want to keep a strong independent deterrent. The Lib Dems, which used to support disarmament, seem to have adopted a Wulfric style solution of keeping only two or three submarines. This would not provide continuous at-sea deterrence.
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2015, 03:49:21 AM »

Yes, absolutely. Especially if every other country currently armed with nukes keeps theirs. It would be a massive diplomatic and strategic failure on the UK's part to get rid of them.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2015, 05:24:10 AM »

Ideally no country should
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2015, 10:27:03 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2015, 10:30:13 AM »

One of the issues that will be faced by the next UK Parliament, is the renewal of the 'Trident' nuclear armed submarines, which requires a vote in 2016 if the UK is to continue being in the nuclear club.

At present, Britain has four submarines which allows one submarine to always be at sea (allowing the deterrent effect to be continuous). Nuclear missiles are very expensive - swallowing up a significant portion of the Defence budget, that many dislike.
 

The Tories, DUP and UKIP are fully committed to nuclear renewal. The SNP, Greens, Plaid and Respect are advocating disarmament.

The other two are giving mixed messages. Labour, which used to tear itself to shreds over the issue, are giving mixed messages - it has some constituencies which would benefit from the manufacturing of new arms and much of its traditional wing want to keep a strong independent deterrent. The Lib Dems, which used to support disarmament, seem to have adopted a Wulfric style solution of keeping only two or three submarines. This would not provide continuous at-sea deterrence.

The "deterrence" point in 2015 is beyond absurd. Who is the UK trying to ensure MAD with? That said LOL@the Liberal Democrats.

Scrapping the whole thing is the only logical thing at this point.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2015, 10:37:53 AM »

Scrapping the whole thing is the only logical thing at this point.

Not if you live in Barrow-in-Furness!
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2015, 11:21:12 AM »

Scrapping the whole thing is the only logical thing at this point.

Not if you live in Barrow-in-Furness!

You'd think they could just find some other make-work project to give them...
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2015, 11:30:15 AM »

Scrapping the whole thing is the only logical thing at this point.

Not if you live in Barrow-in-Furness!

You'd think they could just find some other make-work project to give them...

If it doesn't have the potential to wipe out human civilisation, it ain't worth doing.
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2015, 01:03:31 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2015, 01:39:22 PM »

Option 2.
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2015, 01:42:30 PM »

should be turned over to the eu, along with france's
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2015, 01:50:42 PM »

It probably should be renewed, but the scaling down should begin now.
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2015, 03:58:34 PM »

should be turned over to the euNATO, along with france's and America's
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2015, 04:19:02 PM »

Disarm, and find something that's actually worth having for people in Barrow to do.
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2015, 03:12:15 PM »

I believe the UK should remain a nuclear power so long as there are nuclear powers in the world. I do support full nuclear disarmament of all countries, but no country should disarm unilaterally.
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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2015, 04:35:25 PM »

should be turned over to the eu, along with france's
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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2015, 04:36:54 PM »

Disarmament for everyone! Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2015, 07:55:49 PM »

In full. In this day and age, you never know what major nations will do. Always best to stay safe.
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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2015, 08:30:34 PM »

Disarmment(D)
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2015, 09:40:58 PM »

Considering it will be an Islamic state within a century, it should do the rest of the world a favor and dispose of them immediately.

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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2015, 11:28:46 PM »

Considering it will be an Islamic state within a century, it should do the rest of the world a favor and dispose of them immediately.

What?

You are unaware of the radical Islamic movement to take over Europe?
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2015, 11:40:50 PM »

Considering it will be an Islamic state within a century, it should do the rest of the world a favor and dispose of them immediately.

What?

You are unaware of the radical Islamic movement to take over Europe?


I feel like I recognize that art style.
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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2015, 12:53:36 AM »

Considering it will be an Islamic state within a century, it should do the rest of the world a favor and dispose of them immediately.

What?

You are unaware of the radical Islamic movement to take over Europe?


I feel like I recognize that art style.
The name "Brawl in the Family" ring a bell?
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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2015, 09:20:10 AM »

The idea that the Muslims are taking over the UK is absurd and straight out of the UKIP playbook.

Now France...
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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2015, 09:47:34 AM »

rofl ShadowOfTheVeil
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