Labour Party leadership election 2015

[Phony Moderate]

Some Hillary SuperPAC is going to attack Sanders because Corbyn praised Chavez. I know, it makes so much sense.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11

The Clintons have shook hands with Tony Blair; Tony Blair once led a party that sings 'The Red Flag' at its annual conferences.

[Beezer]

They mean the Great Offices of State - the shadows of the the Chancellor of the Exchequor, the Home Secretary and the Foreign Secretary (the three most powerful and senior members of the cabinet aside from the drop dog himself) are all male.

I know this may be old fashioned but shouldn't people focus on whether or not those members of the shadow cabinet are up to the task rather what they have between their legs?

[Blair]

They mean the Great Offices of State - the shadows of the the Chancellor of the Exchequor, the Home Secretary and the Foreign Secretary (the three most powerful and senior members of the cabinet aside from the drop dog himself) are all male.

I know this may be old fashioned but shouldn't people focus on whether or not those members of the shadow cabinet are up to the task rather what they have between their legs?

Well, the party elections gave 3 males the top jobs- Leader, Deputy and Mayor when arguably the female candidates were more qualified (not that experience means anything in British Politics tbh)

IMO they have women who have virtually no talent cabinet jobs (Powell) and women with talent either small time jobs or no jobs at all. Giving Angela Eagle first secretary of state (it's a weird office that's like Vice President but it's not) reeks of desperation. Basically it's been a crap week to be a qualified women in the Labour Party

[ChrisDR68]

Interesting the way Corbyn applauded the audience at the TUC conference today who were applauding him politburo communist style.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

They mean the Great Offices of State - the shadows of the the Chancellor of the Exchequor, the Home Secretary and the Foreign Secretary (the three most powerful and senior members of the cabinet aside from the drop dog himself) are all male.

I know this may be old fashioned but shouldn't people focus on whether or not those members of the shadow cabinet are up to the task rather what they have between their legs?

People normally like the government to be representative of the nation as a whole. Much like he'd raise eyebrows if he only appointed people from London to his cabinet, having a severe deviation of women from 50% would be unrepresentative.

[Phony Moderate]

Gaps between post-war Labour and Tory leaders' first elections to Parliament and becoming leader:

Corbyn - 32 years
Miliband - 5 years
Brown - 24 years
Blair - 11 years
Smith - 22 years
Kinnock - 13 years
Foot - 35 years
Callaghan - 31 years
Wilson - 18 years
Gaitskell - 10 years
Attlee - 13 years

Cameron - 4 years
Howard - 20 years
IDS - 9 years
Hague - 8 years
Major - 11 years
Thatcher - 16 years
Heath - 15 years
Douglas-Home - 33 years
Macmillan - 33 years
Eden - 32 years
Churchill - 40 years

[Blair]

Trend with good PM's is that funnily enough the younger, less experienced one's do better. Whilst experienced crown princes like Callaghan, Eden and Brown struggle

[warandwar]

Interesting the way Corbyn applauded the audience at the TUC conference today who were applauding him politburo communist style.

Interesting how Corbyn's speech was followed by a performance of "The Red Detachment of Women" and how he declared a "Hundred Flowers Campaign" politburo communist style.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Of course the idea that The Great Offices Of State are the only posts that really matter is itself a rather old fashioned (can we say Victorian? I'm going to say Victorian) attitude and not one that makes any sense within a Labour Party context.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

And yes I get that a lot of people don't like Lucy Powell much, but can we seriously argue that she's a step down from the Shadow Education Secretaries in the last Parliament? Come on...

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Well I have some affection for Twiggy - he's a local boy, went to my primary school in fact. And T Hunt was a marvellous piece of satire, I assume by some method comedian.

[ChrisDR68]

Well I have some affection for Twiggy - he's a local boy, went to my primary school in fact. And T Hunt was a marvellous piece of satire, I assume by some method comedian.

Satire because he's posh?

Why wasn't the same attitude prevalent towards Anthony Wedgwood Benn who's father was a Liberal MP and who grandfather was Sir John Benn, 1st Baronet?

Or is it more to do with his name being Tristram?

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Yes, the name. And he is a very, erm, tin-eared politician even moreso than Kendall (who I eventually grew fond of, purely because of how terribly lousy her campaign was) and Ummuna.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Don't forget the impression that he gave, i.e. that before being appointed to the post he had never so much as set foot in a comprehensive school. Which is... not... ideal for a Labour education spokesman. He's not without his talents but it became clear really quickly that he was not suited to that role...

[DavidB.]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11867337/Jeremy-Corbyn-disloyal-national-anthem-Labour-leader.html

Even if there is a campaign against him, he's not exactly making it harder for his opponents...

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

corbyn's best hope is doing a Trump. Break all the established "rules" of politicking and see how things go from there.

Anyway, I don't blame him for not singing the anthem, which is infamously a lousy dirge. There is only one good part of GStQ, and that's the duhduhDUHDUH crescendo before SEND! HER! VIC! TORIOUS!

[politicus]

corbyn's best hope is doing a Trump. Break all the established "rules" of politicking and see how things go from there.

Anyway, I don't blame him for not singing the anthem, which is infamously a lousy dirge. There is only one good part of GStQ, and that's the duhduhDUHDUH crescendo before SEND! HER! VIC! TORIOUS!

What about the second half of:

"Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the King."

Quite feisty. They could update it with some SNP references.

[warandwar]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11867337/Jeremy-Corbyn-disloyal-national-anthem-Labour-leader.html

Even if there is a campaign against him, he's not exactly making it harder for his opponents...

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IS THIS THE MAN YOU WANT AS PRIME MINISTER?!?!?!?!?

[ChrisDR68]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11867337/Jeremy-Corbyn-disloyal-national-anthem-Labour-leader.html

Even if there is a campaign against him, he's not exactly making it harder for his opponents...

He's a republican isn't he?

That being the case I actually think he'd be hypocritical singing the anthem.

[Vega]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11867337/Jeremy-Corbyn-disloyal-national-anthem-Labour-leader.html

Even if there is a campaign against him, he's not exactly making it harder for his opponents...

"Mr Corbyn wore a mismatched suit and the top button on his shirt appeared to be undone."

Yup; it's the Torygraph.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I wasn't even aware that there was ever an expectation to sing the national anthem. That's the sort of thing that foreigners do, surely? This isn't France or America or wherever.

But yes the media will do a full Foot on him. It's going to be pretty relentless.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Obviously God Save the Queen is one of the worst anthems in the world, and any self-respecting human being should refuse to sing it.

[Lief 🗽]

This sh[inks] is just needlessly confrontational. If Corbyn is going to purposefully act like an internet troll and refuse to follow basic protocols then he has no one but himself to blame when he's called out on it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

This sh[inks] is just needlessly confrontational. If Corbyn is going to purposefully act like an internet troll and refuse to follow basic protocols then he has no one but himself to blame when he's called out on it.

Says the guy with Donald Trump in his username and sig. Can't make that stuff up.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

This isn't America; most people don't even know the correct order of the words in the national anthem here ffs. And on those rare occasions when people are in a situation when they are told to 'all rise etc' proudly belting out the words is not actually normal.

I agree that politically it would make sense to adhere to functionally non-existent 'protocol' (although doing so would probably result in attacks as well: ooh was he looking sarcastic when he did that, etc) but lets not pretend that this sh!t isn't hypocritically enforced.