Labour Party leadership election 2015

[Phony Moderate]

And John McDonnell confirms.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I see that he swallowed his pride. In the interests of a proper debate with all factions represented: good.

Map updated: I will do a double check at some point to make sure that it's 100% accurate.

[Famous Mortimer]

Who swallowed their pride? John McDonnell? Was he backing someone else?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

No, Corbyn. He had been telling everyone that he wasn't going to accept 'loaned' nominations; that he only wished for support from actual supporters.

[Famous Mortimer]

No, Corbyn. He had been telling everyone that he wasn't going to accept 'loaned' nominations; that he only wished for support from actual supporters.

Didn't even realize that. It doesn't seem to have stopped loaned nominations. I've been following a pro-Corbyn Facebook page and they've been posting a steady stream of loaned nominations for the past week and a half.

[stepney]

No, Corbyn. He had been telling everyone that he wasn't going to accept 'loaned' nominations; that he only wished for support from actual supporters.

He had no ability to reject 'loaned' nominations if he wanted to; and such loans went to him by hook and by crook over the course of the morning. He hasn't swallowed his pride, just that others felt 'the debate' had to be had.

[Phony Moderate]

Since midday Corbyn supporters have been urging their hard left friends/followers on social media to pay the three quid, btw. Surely there would be a safeguard against such tactics, no?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Had another go at the regional breakdown thing:

North: Burnham 12, Cooper 8, Kendall 5, Corbyn 3 No Nomination 1
North West: Burnham 24, Kendall 9, Cooper 5, Corbyn 5, NN 5
Yorkshire & The Humber: Burnham 10, Cooper 9, Corbyn 6, Kendall 3, NN 5
West Midlands: Cooper 14, Kendall 4, Burnham 3, NN 4
East Midlands: Cooper 4, Kendall 3, Burnham 2, Corbyn 2, NN 3
Eastern: Corbyn 2, Cooper 1, Kendall 1
London: Corbyn 16, Cooper 9, Kendall 9, Burnham 4, NN 6
South East: Kendall 2, Burnham 1, Corbyn 1
South West: Cooper 2, Burnham 1, NN 1
Wales: Burnham 11, Cooper 6, Kendall 5, Corbyn 1, NN 2
Scotland: NN 1

Same caveats as before.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Creasy has made the ballot and Ali has withdrawn. Which means its possible for Eagle and/or Bradshaw to make it now, which wasn't looking likely earlier this week.

[YL]

Creasy has made the ballot and Ali has withdrawn. Which means its possible for Eagle and/or Bradshaw to make it now, which wasn't looking likely earlier this week.

The Guardian has a quote from Chuka Umunna implying that Eagle and Bradshaw have both made it.  (Well, the tweet being quoted actually says "All remaining @UKLabour deputy leadership candidates are now on the ballot after @rushanaraali's withdrawal - big thanks to @rushanaraali!".)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Yes, there will indeed be five candidates on the ballot. I'll update-and-correct the map shortly. And it is done.

[YL]

Hustings with the four leadership candidates in Nuneaton on BBC2 now...

Had another go at the regional breakdown thing:

North: Burnham 12, Cooper 8, Kendall 5, Corbyn 3 No Nomination 1
North West: Burnham 24, Kendall 9, Cooper 5, Corbyn 5, NN 5
Yorkshire & The Humber: Burnham 10, Cooper 9, Corbyn 6, Kendall 3, NN 5
West Midlands: Cooper 14, Kendall 4, Burnham 3, NN 4
East Midlands: Cooper 4, Kendall 3, Burnham 2, Corbyn 2, NN 3
Eastern: Corbyn 2, Cooper 1, Kendall 1
London: Corbyn 16, Cooper 9, Kendall 9, Burnham 4, NN 6
South East: Kendall 2, Burnham 1, Corbyn 1
South West: Cooper 2, Burnham 1, NN 1
Wales: Burnham 11, Cooper 6, Kendall 5, Corbyn 1, NN 2
Scotland: NN 1

Same caveats as before.

Burnham's strength in the North (especially the NW) particularly stands out.  Is Corbyn's strength in London down to London Labour MPs being particularly on the left, or because he has a London constituency, or because London Labour MPs were particularly likely to lend their nominations for some reason.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Looks to be a combination of all three, though for the first point it's more that London MPs are more likely to be firmly on the Right or firmly on the Left than those from other regions.

[Blair]

anyone see the debates?

[YL]

anyone see the debates?

I saw most of it.  I wasn't terribly impressed TBH.  Burnham and Cooper still both strike me as solid enough but not particularly inspiring.  I didn't expect to like Kendall, and didn't, while I thought Corbyn came across well but it still seems likely that he'd be seen as unelectable.

[Famous Mortimer]

Apologize if it's already been done but now that the final ballot is clear can someone sum up the ideological positions of the Deputy Leadership candidates?

Wikipedia says Caroline Flint is the most right-wing ("Blairite") and Tom Watson is linked to unions. I take it Watson is comparable to Burnham?

What about the other 3?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Wikipedia misleads you: most right-wing candidate is Bradshaw. If there is a 'Blairite' candidate it is he (Flint has moved to a more generic Labour Right stance since 2010). Watson, Flint, and Eagle are all former trade unionists (Watson worked for the old AEEU, Flint worked for the GMB, and Eagle worked for the old COHSE. The AEEU is now part of Unite and COHSE is now part of Unison). All candidates bar Eagle are associated with the Right of the Party (Eagle is soft Left) but with different parts of it, though Watson has good relations with much of the Left. I'll go into more detail later.

[Famous Mortimer]

I'm guessing. Tell me how far off I am:

Caroline Flint: Blairish, comparable to Kendall.

Tom Watson: Union backed, comparable to Burnham.

Angela Eagle: First openly lesbian MP. Also kind of a Blairite.

Ben Bradshaw: Gay MP. Minister under Brown. So Brownite I guess? Comparable to Cooper.

Stella Creasy: Famous for getting rape threats so I'm guessing running kind of feminist-y campaign. Otherwise generally slightly left of the establishment but representing a posher constituency than Burnham or Watson. Kinda between Burhman and Cooper?

[Famous Mortimer]

Eagle voted for the Iraq War, so a terrible person to marshal the slightly-left-of-the-establishment support.

[Oak Hills]

I know this is probably complicated, but could someone summarize what the different factions of the Labour Party are, and what policies each tends to support?  Like what places someone on the Labour Right, for instance?

[Phony Moderate]

Watson would of course be a return to normality as far as the deputy leadership goes - an overweight macho bruising type - think Prescott, Hattersley, Healey, George Brown etc.

[Silent Hunter]

Watson would of course be a return to normality as far as the deputy leadership goes - an overweight macho bruising type - think Prescott, Hattersley, Healey, George Brown etc.

Watson was a big campaigner over phone-hacking; he's probably made a lot of enemies in the right-wing press as a result.

I see that there have been attempts by Tory supporters to affiliate, so they can vote for Corbyn.

[Andrea]

I'm guessing. Tell me how far off I am:

Caroline Flint: Blairish, comparable to Kendall.

Tom Watson: Union backed, comparable to Burnham.

Angela Eagle: First openly lesbian MP. Also kind of a Blairite.

Ben Bradshaw: Gay MP. Minister under Brown. So Brownite I guess? Comparable to Cooper.

Stella Creasy: Famous for getting rape threats so I'm guessing running kind of feminist-y campaign. Otherwise generally slightly left of the establishment but representing a posher constituency than Burnham or Watson. Kinda between Burhman and Cooper?

Bradshaw is a Blairite. Eagle wasn't much of a big Blairite flag bearer.

[Celebi]

anyone see the debates?

Burnham, Cooper and Kendall were all bland and indistinguishable from each other. All of them spoke in empty phrases (growing economy, fairer society etc...). All of them seemed to support blair-style new Labour. Corbyn was the only one to say anything substantial and also got few ovations from the audience. But even he didn't seem to believe that he could actually win the nomination. He was also the only one who was in favor immigration while the others tried to portray themselves as opposing it (although not very convincingly).

If I should bet who would become next Labour leader, I would guess Burnham.

[Blair]

Flint isn't a blairite, that's not a fair label. She was the strongest supporter of the energy gap,and unlike the blairites she was loyal to milibae