Labour Party leadership election 2015

[Phony Moderate]

Following the 'weeding out', the electorate is down to 553,954 (previously 610,753). However, most of the reduction comes from the affiliates (41,521) rather than the £3ers.

[YL]

Following the 'weeding out', the electorate is down to 553,954 (previously 610,753). However, most of the reduction comes from the affiliates (41,521) rather than the £3ers.

.. and mostly because they weren't on the electoral register, had signed up in more than one category, or hadn't paid their membership fees rather than because they were "infiltrators".  The number removed because they were considered not to be real Labour supporters was about 3000, of whom more than half were Greens.

[Phony Moderate]

Oh dear, Fox News has something to say.

[joevsimp]

Following the 'weeding out', the electorate is down to 553,954 (previously 610,753). However, most of the reduction comes from the affiliates (41,521) rather than the £3ers.

.. and mostly because they weren't on the electoral register, had signed up in more than one category, or hadn't paid their membership fees rather than because they were "infiltrators".  The number removed because they were considered not to be real Labour supporters was about 3000, of whom more than half were Greens.

any news on how many affiliate supporters have been denied, I had Unite emailing me every other day to sign up before the deadline and a lot of Greens are members of Labour-affilliated unions

[politicus]

Oh dear, Fox News has something to say.

"bearded vegetarian socialist "

The horror.

[Leftbehind]

Following the 'weeding out', the electorate is down to 553,954 (previously 610,753). However, most of the reduction comes from the affiliates (41,521) rather than the £3ers.

.. and mostly because they weren't on the electoral register, had signed up in more than one category, or hadn't paid their membership fees rather than because they were "infiltrators".  The number removed because they were considered not to be real Labour supporters was about 3000, of whom more than half were Greens.

I've seen plenty of cases posted where people have been refused because they weren't on the electoral register, when they clearly are. Look at this fella here, for instance. Nearly 10% gone, and how many of them will successfully appeal before the vote?

Oh dear, Fox News has something to say.

The amount of high-profile Blairites found regularly retweeting Hodges through this has taught me there's absolutely no reason not to regard them as political enemies.

[Blair]

I've equally seen people scream on twitter about getting removed, only for people to highlight them in may saying 'Vote Green!''

Although they shouldn't kick people out for that when we intended to run an open primary in the first place

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Well... we didn't intend to run an open primary...

[Leftbehind]

They certainly intended to entice supporters of other parties into Labour. That someone voted Green and encouraged others to do so in May doesn't violate this in any way, otherwise the term infiltrators is now being selectively redrawn to mean voters of other parties and not members.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The idea of the Registered Supporters Scheme was actually to allow people who support Labour strongly but have no interest in joining a political party to have a formal role in the Party structure. I'm not sure why this was thought to be a workable idea either, but it was. It didn't work initially (because its a terrible idea), but somehow it ended up being reborn as part of the 'solution' to the 'crisis' brought about by the Falkirk nonsense. But apparently no one realised that all they were creating was a cheap ticket to a leadership election. And unfortunately it turns out to be rather difficult to deal with the entryist issue - which given its history Labour has to take seriously - when we aren't talking of actual membership: all you're left with are rather crude methods.

[Leftbehind]

It was reborn, packaged with OMOV, for a certain goal by some - to open up the membership and dilute certain sections of the Labour Party's influence - and of course Falkirk was their non-justification. But now we're landed with that piss-poor system, it's no good starting a witch-hunt now it's so open that it attracts voters for other parties - Harman seemed to relish that prospect when announcing it. She speaks warmly about bringing the public in (unless that public has voted Green?).

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind if Corbyn hadn't made the ballot none of this would be getting questioned.

[Blair]

As someone who wasn't around in the 1980's how similar is Corbyn's campaign similar to Benn's campaign for labour party democracy?

[BaconBacon96]

It clearly occurred to no one that the people who are more inclined to vote in a Labour primary are left activist types, not Tory swing voters.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

It was reborn, packaged with OMOV, for a certain goal by some - to open up the membership and dilute certain sections of the Labour Party's influence - and of course Falkirk was their non-justification.

Well it was demanded as part of the 'solution' by certain people for reasons that still make very little sense but can (I guess) be put down to certain people being completely delusional about the appeal of their particular internal brand to a wider public.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

As someone who wasn't around in the 1980's how similar is Corbyn's campaign similar to Benn's campaign for labour party democracy?

I wasn't around in the 1980s either (other than as a small child!) but the answer is that everything is much more civilised from everyone. Or at least I've not heard of any comradely doorstepping yet. I guess I'll maybe change my mind if I do. By the early 1980s there had been bitter factional conflict at CLP level for a decade with all of the toxins that will inevitably build up if that happens. Additionally the content of Corbyn's campaign is much more moderate than what the Bennite Left advocated: isn't it ironic that Corbyn has compromised with the (s)electorate but Kendall has refused to?

CLPD should be capitalised tho'. They're still around actually and are very important to the Corbyn campaign: the 'Grassroots Alliance' is a front organisation.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

It clearly occurred to no one that the people who are more inclined to vote in a Labour primary are left activist types, not Tory swing voters.

I don't think they care... alas

[Phony Moderate]

An Objectivist thinks that Corbyn is bonkers.

[Phony Moderate]

isn't it ironic that Corbyn has compromised with the (s)electorate but Kendall has refused to?

Yeah, Flint has ran the type of campaign that (from her POV) Kendall should have run.

[Phony Moderate]

Some interesting figures; 22% of Britons say they are against the Royals; that must be the highest for some time; higher even than opposition to airstrikes against ISIS. Also, surely tuition fees aren't tuition fees if paid entirely by the government? Also, lol at a large proportion of Kendall supporters who strongly hold positions that would put them in the Socialist Campaign Group if they were MPs.

[Blair]

Interesting about royal family because I'm against the institution but I'm not 100% certain I'd vote to get rid of them in a referendum.

The poll shows, that despite what Corbyn supporters say his political positions are out of the mainstream   

[Leftbehind]

Interesting about royal family because I'm against the institution but I'm not 100% certain I'd vote to get rid of them in a referendum.

The poll shows, that despite what Corbyn supporters say his political positions are out of the mainstream  

Those are simply those "Strongly" in favour. Polling usually has a Strongly / Moderately support compared to those who Moderately / Strongly opposed. It's a fact that nationalisation of rail & utilities polls majorities when asked.

I don't think evidence that Corbyn supporters are more fervent in their support for nationalisation than the average, disinterested member of the public is particularly enlightening. The public figures is likely much closer when you add in the moderate support. Besides, repeated polling has shown widespread opposition to privatisation and even that hasn't stopped the Thatcherites.

Also, lol at a large proportion of Kendall supporters who strongly hold positions that would put them in the Socialist Campaign Group if they were MPs.

Many of these policies receive majority support amongst Tories, it is a testament to the gulf between the PLP and the membership that these aren't our accepted policies.

[ChrisDR68]

Some interesting figures; 22% of Britons say they are against the Royals; that must be the highest for some time; higher even than opposition to airstrikes against ISIS. Also, surely tuition fees aren't tuition fees if paid entirely by the government? Also, lol at a large proportion of Kendall supporters who strongly hold positions that would put them in the Socialist Campaign Group if they were MPs.

Obviously this doesn't prove anything either way but you can certainly see the potential for a Corbyn led Labour Party bumping up against the Great British public at the general election in 2020 and coming away with a drubbing.

[Blair]

Many of these policies receive majority support amongst Tories, it is a testament to the gulf between the PLP and the membership that these aren't our accepted policies.

As I've said before a tory in kent supporting rail nationalization isn't going to simply vote Labour because of one policy. Our last manifesto has scared me off retail politics

[Phony Moderate]

Word (well, rumour) is that a majority has yet to cast a vote and that about a third is still undecided; this has led to some Labour insiders not being as convinced about a Corbyn victory as they were a week or so ago. Burnham's camp is putting out data suggesting that a plurality of the undecideds are leaning towards him.

[Silent Hunter]

Many of these policies receive majority support amongst Tories, it is a testament to the gulf between the PLP and the membership that these aren't our accepted policies.

As I've said before a tory in kent supporting rail nationalization isn't going to simply vote Labour because of one policy. Our last manifesto has scared me off retail politics

In addition, people may like the policies but doubt the credibility of those promoting them.