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« Reply #1250 on: September 12, 2015, 08:13:12 AM »

@ProfTimBale: For the record: #JeremyCorbyn won 49.6% of #Labour members, 85.8% of (£3) registered supporters, & 57.6% of (union) affiliated supporters
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« Reply #1251 on: September 12, 2015, 08:16:54 AM »

Newsnight graphic showing voters needed to beat the Tories:

This graphic is somewhat misleading, since it projects Labour's leadership voters furthest away from the Tory voters, which implies that they take most far-left position in the political spectrum. It is, of course, likely that Labour leadership voters are to the left of the average Labour voter, but I would never say that they constitute all of the far-left, which is a hidden meaning in this graphic.
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« Reply #1252 on: September 12, 2015, 08:18:43 AM »

Newsnight graphic showing voters needed to beat the Tories:

This graphic is somewhat misleading, since it projects Labour's leadership voters furthest away from the Tory voters, which implies that they take most far-left position in the political spectrum. It is, of course, likely that Labour leadership voters are to the left of the average Labour voter, but I would never say that they constitute all of the far-left, which is a hidden meaning in this graphic.
It's just number of votes needed, not spectrum position - it's showing the amount of people Corbyn needs to get to vote for him, before he beats the Labour 2015 vote and Tories 2015 vote.
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« Reply #1253 on: September 12, 2015, 08:27:09 AM »

Miliband is actually the only former leader who has said anything thus far.
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« Reply #1254 on: September 12, 2015, 08:28:31 AM »

Corbyn has now said that he intends to share out the leading role at PMQs with other MPs... er, what?
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« Reply #1255 on: September 12, 2015, 08:30:59 AM »

Corbyn has now said that he intends to share out the leading role at PMQs with other MPs... er, what?

What's the big deal? QP in Canada usually has cabinet/shadow ministers featuring prominently.
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« Reply #1256 on: September 12, 2015, 08:39:11 AM »

It might be a good choice for Labour. Or it might keep the Tories in power for the next 20 years.
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« Reply #1257 on: September 12, 2015, 08:39:16 AM »

Newsnight graphic showing voters needed to beat the Tories:

This graphic is somewhat misleading, since it projects Labour's leadership voters furthest away from the Tory voters, which implies that they take most far-left position in the political spectrum. It is, of course, likely that Labour leadership voters are to the left of the average Labour voter, but I would never say that they constitute all of the far-left, which is a hidden meaning in this graphic.
It's just number of votes needed, not spectrum position - it's showing the amount of people Corbyn needs to get to vote for him, before he beats the Labour 2015 vote and Tories 2015 vote.
I know. I might be too suspicious, but I feel this graphic contains this hidden meaning aside its obvious meaning nonetheless.
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« Reply #1258 on: September 12, 2015, 08:41:02 AM »

The issue was whether the great mass that is the Soft Left would get cold feet or not; they did not.
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« Reply #1259 on: September 12, 2015, 08:42:08 AM »

It might be a good choice for Labour. Or it might keep the Tories in power for the next 20 years.
That's the worry I have. It could be 1983 all over again.
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« Reply #1260 on: September 12, 2015, 08:42:17 AM »

Corbyn has now said that he intends to share out the leading role at PMQs with other MPs... er, what?

May be a sign that he intends to be a Chairman style of leader rather than a Leader style of leader. Which may be for the best...
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« Reply #1261 on: September 12, 2015, 08:43:58 AM »

Corbyn has now said that he intends to share out the leading role at PMQs with other MPs... er, what?

May be a sign that he intends to be a Chairman style of leader rather than a Leader style of leader. Which may be for the best...

You know who else was a Chairman style of leader?
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« Reply #1262 on: September 12, 2015, 09:56:59 AM »

Corbyn has now said that he intends to share out the leading role at PMQs with other MPs... er, what?

May be a sign that he intends to be a Chairman style of leader rather than a Leader style of leader. Which may be for the best...

It's got two rather big drawbacks... it allows the Tories to paint him as a coward and runs the real risk of him being overshadowed by other ministers if they do better than him.
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« Reply #1263 on: September 12, 2015, 09:58:38 AM »

It might be a good choice for Labour. Or it might keep the Tories in power for the next 20 years.
That's the worry I have. It could be 1983 all over again.

Or worse.
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« Reply #1264 on: September 12, 2015, 10:01:50 AM »

It might be a good choice for Labour. Or it might keep the Tories in power for the next 20 years.
That's the worry I have. It could be 1983 all over again.

But that would be ignoring that Britain is different than it was in 1983.
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« Reply #1265 on: September 12, 2015, 10:03:04 AM »

Yes, it's moved to the right if anything.
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« Reply #1266 on: September 12, 2015, 10:18:58 AM »

Adam Boulton is losing it with protesters on Sky News right now...
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« Reply #1267 on: September 12, 2015, 10:20:59 AM »

...runs the real risk of him being overshadowed by other ministers if they do better than him.

He may want this.
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« Reply #1268 on: September 12, 2015, 10:26:56 AM »

...runs the real risk of him being overshadowed by other ministers if they do better than him.

He may want this.

He may well do... but it's going to be taken as a sign of weakness.

Also, I note on Twitter than there's a post about millions of Blairites crying out and being suddenly silenced... which suggests people haven't actually remembered what happened in that film.
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« Reply #1269 on: September 12, 2015, 10:31:35 AM »

Great news for Libdems!
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« Reply #1270 on: September 12, 2015, 10:33:20 AM »

I bet the tories wish they hadn't passed the fix term parliament act.

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« Reply #1271 on: September 12, 2015, 10:57:02 AM »

Current list of who is in and out of Shadow Cabinet
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« Reply #1272 on: September 12, 2015, 10:58:41 AM »
« Edited: September 12, 2015, 11:05:17 AM by Clyde1998 »

I bet the tories wish they hadn't passed the fix term parliament act.


Could they not repeal it, now they have a majority? Wasn't it only a Lib Dem policy, not a Tory one?
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« Reply #1273 on: September 12, 2015, 11:01:06 AM »

Surprised that Clive Lewis has ruled himself out, as he was touted as a left wing rising star
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« Reply #1274 on: September 12, 2015, 11:01:24 AM »

Well, brace yourselves... I really hope Corbyn surprises me and ends up leading Labour to victory (it's not impossible, many things can happen in 5 years). But the next couple years are probably going to be quite rocky.
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