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« on: May 08, 2015, 07:14:17 AM »

Can anyone rank that lineup from right to left?
Wouldn't it be wise by the party to either pick some scot to try reestablishing it's presence north of the tweed or some more blue Labour type of a leader to reclaim some working class seats?
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2015, 07:13:11 AM »

No explanation given or hinted at so far.

And now we have one. Apparently he didn't like the pressure.
Most likely someone got dirt on someone.
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2015, 03:52:15 PM »

What exactly are the perks in being deputy leader? doesn't seem like a really influencing majordomo
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2015, 05:35:22 PM »

I saw in the newstatesman a piece claiming Scotland's lost and Labour should merge with LibDem in England-Wales, how likely would a new leader from the party's right espouse this? especially if Farron leads the LD 
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2015, 05:39:41 PM »

A Corbyn win with Farron winning LibDem could change the power structure within the centre-left completely
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2015, 08:55:48 AM »

Hoping for Poale Zion endorsement?
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2015, 06:29:34 AM »

Well my MP told me that Corbyn would get kicked out by Christmas, and he'd struggle to find anyone worth while to serve in his cabinet-in all fairness my MP's an arch Blairite who supports Kendall but he says there's complete depression in the PLP.

The problem is that Corbyn has rebelled on something like 105 times, I mean I understand voting against Iraq/Tuition Fees/90 day detention but Corbyn rebelled so many times that he's digging himself in an even further ditch. Combined with the fact the PLP have become pretty factional since 1997 it's going to be a struggle.

The only issue, is that the PLP can't simply kick Corbyn out as they'd like to. Even as someone on the 'soft right' of the party such as myself sees that as awful now.

And yeah, I think Jarvis has been crowned as the next leader
For those of us not familiar with Labour party constitution how can be dumped by boxing day? can the PLP declare an election by its own?
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2015, 09:00:31 AM »

Guardian article on leading figures and candidates in the Greens and far left parties signing up as registered supporters

The thing is that I suspect many of these people regard themselves as Labour supporters in exile, so they don't have a problem with making the statement required about sharing Labour's values and not being a member of an organisation opposed to it.
Does the UK law allows one to be a member of more than one party? In Israel the law forbids it and during party primaries there are usually disqualified voters over such matterss
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2015, 10:33:08 AM »

Guardian article on leading figures and candidates in the Greens and far left parties signing up as registered supporters

The thing is that I suspect many of these people regard themselves as Labour supporters in exile, so they don't have a problem with making the statement required about sharing Labour's values and not being a member of an organisation opposed to it.
Does the UK law allows one to be a member of more than one party? In Israel the law forbids it and during party primaries there are usually disqualified voters over such matterss

Strange to have a law about that, parties are private associations, it should be up to them, what they will allow.
Yes parties are considered private corporations but due to the horrific effect dual membership has on democracy (especially here with the "voter contractor") it was decided to "regulate the market". It's a minor criminal offence (1 year in prison max) but I have never heard of anyone charged with this offence nor has any party ever pressed charge with those that were found to have dual membership.

but I guess a 2-3 party system was less prone to these problems until recently
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2015, 10:49:38 AM »

There's a difference between being on the Labour Right and being a Blairite. Many journalists don't seem to grasp this.
What is this difference?

The main factions within the party are:

Traditional right - accepted most of the 'New Labour' stuff but more open to social conservatism and Euroscepticism.
Modernising right - advocates of the 'centre ground' approach to economic policy, firmly New Labour, socially liberal and Europhile. Blairites if you like.
Technocrats - Gordon Brown loyalists, many of whom served in his cabinet.
Soft left - The left of the party that isn't the Socialist Campaign Group.
Hard left - The Socialist Campaign Group MPs and a good chunk of the membership.
So basically New Labour economics with working class midlands social attitude?
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2015, 04:23:37 AM »

New YouGov poll:

Corbyn - 53%
Burnham - 21%
Cooper - 18%
Kendall - 8%
I would say it's time for a Blair-Brown pact between Burnham and Cooper but both are so mediocre and lack some sort of vision
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2015, 11:56:59 AM »

Brown speaking now. Started off well but now going off on a weird tangent about Nelson Mandela's 90th birthday celebrations.
I would have assumed he would back Cooper, she and Balls always stroke me as Brownites
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2015, 05:55:57 AM »

Now would have been a good time for a Burnham\Cooper pact like the old Blair-Brown one, problem is both are mediocre at best
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2015, 09:54:08 AM »

Certain the Corbyn hype was over exaggerated and a bit played by Burnham\Cooper in order to get enough votes around to carry them to a 1:1 with him.
I'll wager Burnham to win leadership with Watson as deputy 
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2015, 05:00:36 AM »

Any candidate talked about football already? safe standing and how to create a fairer EPL? I have quite a few mates who regard this policies as important (I swear!)
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2015, 06:17:01 AM »

are Labour peers voting as part of the PLP?
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2015, 01:18:49 PM »

Still certain Corbyn is not winning this (probably win the first round), considering the recent shift in momentom I'll change my prediction from a Burnham victory to a Cooper one
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2015, 01:51:19 PM »

Still certain Corbyn is not winning this

Not the view of most Labour MPs and journalists.

I'm still not certain but I'd rate it as an 80% probability that Corbyn wins; before the London announcement today it was more like 70%.
True. but this was the year of scare politics. Labour establishment are doing what Cameron (and here Bibi) did scare the voters out to rally around them. In addition, the far left always create a lot of fuss on the Internet with bored journalists picking it up to create a story (like a corbyn CLP nomination victory where only 25 people voted...).

I placed a bet on Cooper yesterday and I anticipate I'm gonna cash in on this
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2015, 07:13:18 AM »

Bollocks. There goes all the money I put (at least I nailed it on Watson)

So any ideas on how the shadow cabinet is going to look like?
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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2015, 08:59:23 AM »

Not a Corbyn fan but could he do? All top women prospects refused to sit in his cabinet, his leadership is unstable from start so it would be better to have an ally as chancellor, and letting Eagle who lost the deputy race get the 2nd most revered post isn't all that democratic either.

I wonder what kind of surprises Cooper and the rest are gonna stir from the backbenches
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2015, 04:44:13 AM »

Can we somehow make Eric Joyce leader?

Anyway, yeah, I feel it is only a matter of time before Dan Jarvis makes a move.
I wonder what were the pros and cons in team Corbyn with appointing Jarvis to the shadow cabinet. If Jarvis leads Labour in 2020 he'll have 0 ministerial experience or even shadow ministry to his record
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