United Nations Secretary-General selection, 2016
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
March 29, 2024, 02:36:25 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  International Elections (Moderators: afleitch, Hash)
  United Nations Secretary-General selection, 2016
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2]
Author Topic: United Nations Secretary-General selection, 2016  (Read 7008 times)
Simfan34
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,744
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.90, S: 4.17

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2016, 11:37:25 PM »

The process is already underway. There's no way for him to jump in, just like Romney cannot jump in the US election at this point.

Russia is known to be insisting that the rotation be followed. So while this would apparently give Turk the lead, there will be a lot of gnashing of teeth if a woman is not chosen.
Logged
Famous Mortimer
WillipsBrighton
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,010
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2016, 01:37:09 AM »

Quote from: Restricted
You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/07/21/world/ap-un-united-nations-next-secretary-general.html?_r=0


First Security Council Straw Poll Results
Encourage  Discourage  No Opinion
António Guterres1203
Danilo Türk1122
Irina Bokova942
Vuk Jeremić951
Srgjan Kerim951
Helen Clark852
Miroslav Lajčák735
Susana Malcorra744
Christiana Figueres  555
Natalia Gherman447
Igor Lukšić375
Vesna Pusić2112



Danilo Türk has a temperament absolutely unfit to be Secretary General. He lost re-election as president because he was overly partisan.
Logged
Zanas
Zanas46
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,947
France


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2016, 10:30:27 AM »

Working at the UN now, and Bokova still seems likely. The French will still veto anyone who doesn't speak the language. Ban seems to have tricked them on this.

On Monday they had a debate.

Please tell me there's a completely justified rationale for this.
It is the second international language, as in the second most translated to and from, for all intents and purposes. It is also one of the very few "bridge-languages" for translations, which allow to indirectly translate most of the world's idioms (with English and Russian, mainly). And quite a number of international organizations have their seat in France or French-speaking regions. So it is not that far-fetched, actually.
Logged
Vega
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,253
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2016, 09:56:08 PM »

It won't be Rudd. Sad
Logged
Fmr President & Senator Polnut
polnut
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,489
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -2.71, S: -5.22

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2016, 10:15:21 PM »


Turnbull did a service to the world.
Logged
Vega
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,253
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2016, 10:22:44 PM »

Maybe Rudd can carpetbag to a country where he is wanted to win.
Logged
Intell
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,817
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: -6.71, S: -1.24

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2016, 03:05:39 AM »


Turnbull continues to be a petty piece of sh*t.
Logged
Atlas Has Shrugged
ChairmanSanchez
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 38,096
United States


Political Matrix
E: 5.29, S: -5.04


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2016, 08:56:08 AM »

I think Bill Clinton would be a potential candidate if Vice President or Governor Obama were running to replace Hillary, but that isn't the world we live in so my points moot.
Logged
Vega
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,253
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2016, 11:55:52 AM »

I think Bill Clinton would be a potential candidate if Vice President or Governor Obama were running to replace Hillary, but that isn't the world we live in so my points moot.

I doubt that a President of the U.S. or any leader of a country that has a permanent Security Council seat will ever become Secretary-General. Too much power would be centralized with one country.

After all, we wouldn't like it if Hu Jintao became the new Secretary-General, would we?
Logged
Simfan34
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,744
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.90, S: 4.17

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2016, 05:19:01 PM »


Jesus Christ people how many times must I say that the process has already started. The time for nominations has long passed; the Security Council is already voting. It's been a year now. It's completely ridiculous to complain about someone doing the impossible.
Logged
Simfan34
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,744
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.90, S: 4.17

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2016, 05:20:08 PM »

Idiot.
Logged
Јas
Jas
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,705
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2016, 05:56:07 AM »

Second Security Council Straw Poll Results (5 August)
Encourage  Discourage  No Opinion
António Guterres11 (-1)2 (+2)2 (-1)
Vuk Jeremić8 (-1)4 (-1)3 (+2)
Susana Malcorra8 (+1)6 (+2)1 (-3)
Danilo Türk7 (-4)5 (+3)3 (+1)
Irina Bokova7 (-2)7 (+3)1 (-1)
Srgjan Kerim6 (-3)7 (+2)2 (+1)
Helen Clark6 (-2)8 (+3)1 (-1)
Christiana Figueres  5 (-)8 (+3)2 (-3)
Natalia Gherman3 (-1)10 (+6)2 (-5)
Miroslav Lajčák2 (-5)6 (+3)7 (+2)
Igor Lukšić2 (-1)9 (+2)4 (-1)

Vesna Pusić withdrew the day before the vote.
Logged
Fmr President & Senator Polnut
polnut
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,489
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -2.71, S: -5.22

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2016, 07:16:18 PM »

Sad to see Clark slipping.
Logged
Јas
Jas
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,705
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2016, 05:59:16 AM »

Fourth Security Council Straw Poll Results (9 September)
Encourage  Discourage  No Opinion
António Guterres12 (+1)2 (-1)1 (-)
Miroslav Lajčák10 (+1)4 (-1)1 (-)
Vuk Jeremić9 (+2)4 (-1)2 (-1)
Srgjan Kerim8 (+2)7 (-)0 (-2)
Danilo Türk7 (+2)6 (-)2 (-2)
Irina Bokova7 (-)5 (-)3 (-)
Susana Malcorra7 (-)7 (-)1 (-)
Helen Clark6 (-)7 (-1)2 (+1)
Christiana Figueres  5 (+3)10 (-2)0 (-1)
Natalia Gherman3 (+1)11 (-1)1 (-)

Igor Lukšić withdrew after Round 2.
Christiana Figueres has also now withdrawn.

The fifth straw poll is scheduled for next Monday, 26 September.
Logged
VPH
vivaportugalhabs
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,682
United States


Political Matrix
E: -4.13, S: -0.17

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2016, 08:59:18 AM »

Hoping it will be António Guterres
Logged
Simfan34
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,744
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.90, S: 4.17

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2016, 07:32:41 AM »
« Edited: September 22, 2016, 07:34:52 AM by Simfan34 »

Hoping it will be António Guterres

I'm increasingly hearing the Russians won't allow it.

Certain members saying the General Assembly might even revolt if the Security Council puts him forward (because a) he is not Eastern European, breaking the rotation convention, b) he is, on top of that, a Westerner, raising the spectre of continually electing Westerners if the convention is broken, and c) he's not a woman) but I doubt that.

On the other hand I'm quite certain the belief of some (within the UN!) that the General Assembly must approve the Council's selection is incorrect. Dag Hammarskjold and U Thant were elected by secret ballot. But there is a lot of demand for an actual, substantive appointment resolution making all sorts of demands of the new SG rather than a pro forma resolution adopted by consensus that says "The General Assembly hereby appoints xxx as Secretary-General for a term of five years...", although I don't necessarily see any real movement towards starting the process for drafting an actual resolution.
Logged
Zanas
Zanas46
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,947
France


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2016, 08:26:44 AM »

and c) he's not a woman) but I doubt that.
Seeing this :

Fourth Security Council Straw Poll Results (9 September)
Encourage  Discourage  No Opinion
António Guterres12 (+1)2 (-1)1 (-)
Miroslav Lajčák10 (+1)4 (-1)1 (-)
Vuk Jeremić9 (+2)4 (-1)2 (-1)
Srgjan Kerim8 (+2)7 (-)0 (-2)
Danilo Türk7 (+2)6 (-)2 (-2)
Irina Bokova7 (-)5 (-)3 (-)
Susana Malcorra7 (-)7 (-)1 (-)
Helen Clark6 (-)7 (-1)2 (+1)
Christiana Figueres  5 (+3)10 (-2)0 (-1)
Natalia Gherman3 (+1)11 (-1)1 (-)
I also doubt it very much. Isn't it weird that every woman has fewer Encourage and nearly every woman has more Discourage than every man ? Could it be, by any chance, because a large majority of delegates are men ? Aka good old sexism ? But I cannot possibly consider it, not in this glorious progressive institution that is the UN...
Logged
Јas
Jas
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,705
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2016, 03:53:11 AM »
« Edited: September 27, 2016, 04:04:35 AM by Јas »

Fifth Security Council Straw Poll Results (26 September)
Encourage  Discourage  No Opinion
António Guterres12 (-)2 (-)1 (-)
Vuk Jeremić8 (-1)6 (+2)1 (-1)
Miroslav Lajčák8 (-2)7 (+3)0 (-1)
Susana Malcorra   7 (-)7 (-)1 (-)
Danilo Türk7 (-)7 (+1)1 (-1)
Irina Bokova6 (-1)7 (+2)2 (-1)
Helen Clark6 (-)9 (+2)0 (-2)
Srgjan Kerim6 (-2)9 (+2)0 (-)
Natalia Gherman3 (-)11 (-)1 (-)


The sixth straw poll is scheduled for next Wednesday, 5 October.


Quote from: Restricted
You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-un-election-idUSKCN11W1TX

Logged
Beagle
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 336
Bulgaria


Political Matrix
E: 2.45, S: -0.01

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2016, 03:03:14 AM »
« Edited: September 28, 2016, 03:05:36 AM by Beagle »

As expected, Bulgaria is now withdrawing Bokova's candidacy and will put forward Kristalina Georgieva. The timing of this decision may have been influenced by the deadline for presidential nominations for the Nov 6 election expiring yesterday.

It's fair to say that both ladies did not do themselves proud over this tussle, which was supposed to play out behind the scenes, but got fairly ugly by the end. I can't say whether Mrs. Georgieva has any chances - I'd guess not - but after an extremely tone-deaf campaign, Mrs. Bokova certainly lost hers.
Logged
Јas
Jas
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,705
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2016, 08:03:15 AM »

Quote from: Restricted
You must be logged in to read this quote.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/28/bulgaria-withdraws-support-un-secretary-general-candidate-irina-bokova
Logged
Angel of Death
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,411
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2016, 03:20:53 PM »

António Guterres, it is.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 57,964
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2016, 05:33:29 PM »


Could've been worse, I guess.

At least now there's a world figure who shares my name. That's something. Tongue
Logged
Knives
solopop
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,460
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2016, 10:22:26 PM »

another man, great!
Logged
Mike88
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,223
Portugal


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2016, 10:09:03 AM »

Congratulations to Mr Guterres Cheesy

Good person, extraordinary humanitarian, althought an awful Prime Minister. But, anyway, good news for Portugal!
Logged
Pages: 1 [2]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.07 seconds with 13 queries.