UK General Discussion Thread: mayy lmao

[Blue3]

Let's say the UK leaves the EU.

What are the practical, short-term and medium-term effects? How does life in the EU and life in the UK actually change?

(The UK never had the Euro, so that doesn't change...)

[Cubby]

Spoke to my very right wing uncle about this , and  he said he wanted the death penalty for the bloke. Surprised I haven't seen this argument come out

Harold Wilson abolished the death penalty 51 years ago. You'd think people would realize that its not an option anymore. It's sad when people have no idea what their own laws are. 

On a side note, this is a major event so it should have gotten its own thread.

[Helsinkian]

Spoke to my very right wing uncle about this , and  he said he wanted the death penalty for the bloke. Surprised I haven't seen this argument come out

Harold Wilson abolished the death penalty 51 years ago. You'd think people would realize that its not an option anymore. It's sad when people have no idea what their own laws are.  

On a side note, this is a major event so it should have gotten its own thread.

Although if you ask the British people whether capital punishment should be legal or not, it's very close: 48% would support it. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32061822

[ingemann]

People already pointing out how he's a 'loner' etc (much like the Charleston shooting/Sandy Hook) where as if this was a muslim then well the media would be reporting it very differently

And if this wasn't less than a week away from a incredible important election, it would likely have been covered differently. The Brexiters don't want to talk about this guy because it risk weaken their case, and the Bremainers want to, but they risk two things, that it's seen as a cynical attempt to weaken the Brexit side or worse that the guy really is just a loon. So they would risk a backlash.

Dear God people, it demands next to no critical thinking to get why the media is terrified of handling this wrong.

[ingemann]

Let's say the UK leaves the EU.

What are the practical, short-term and medium-term effects? How does life in the EU and life in the UK actually change?

(The UK never had the Euro, so that doesn't change...)

Hard to answer, it really depend on how the aftermatch is handled.

A Norwegian/Swiss solution: The situation will stay like now, except that London's value as financial centre have becomed much lower. We will likely see a lot of international companies moving their European headquarters to other countries. But in general it will have little effect except for slightly lower growth. Of course this solution demand that UK keep uphold the free movement of labour. The political consequence of this deal will likely be chaotic.

A clean break/free trade agreement: It will be pretty damn horrible.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Let's say the UK leaves the EU.

What are the practical, short-term and medium-term effects? How does life in the EU and life in the UK actually change?

(The UK never had the Euro, so that doesn't change...)

Let's ask the campaigns:

Bremain: apocalypse, civil war, end of civilisation, Hitler comes back, right said Fred reform and have 28 years of unbroken chart success

Brexit: eh, who cares lol we'll figure out when we get there, at least we'll have less moosleems!! (Somehow)

[joevsimp]

Spoke to my very right wing uncle about this , and  he said he wanted the death penalty for the bloke. Surprised I haven't seen this argument come out

Harold Wilson abolished the death penalty 51 years ago. You'd think people would realize that its not an option anymore. It's sad when people have no idea what their own laws are.  

On a side note, this is a major event so it should have gotten its own thread.

Although if you ask the British people whether capital punishment should be legal or not, it's very close: 48% would support it. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32061822

although it was abolished before we entered the EEC, the European Human Rights Convention precludes it from being reintroduced.  Expect it to rise up the agenda if we leave and end up with a hard right government for the next 4 years, although I think Boris and, to an extent, Gove have enough Libertarian instincts to resist,

[Cubby]

Although if you ask the British people whether capital punishment should be legal or not, it's very close: 48% would support it. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32061822

That is much higher than I would have thought.

If Britons new how messy the death penalty is in it's application (gasping for breath, taking an hour to die, etc.) hopefully a lot fewer people would support it.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Although if you ask the British people whether capital punishment should be legal or not, it's very close: 48% would support it. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32061822

That is much higher than I would have thought.

If Britons new how messy the death penalty is in it's application (gasping for breath, taking an hour to die, etc.) hopefully a lot fewer people would support it.

I'm anti-death penalty on philosophical grounds, but that really is an overstatement. Very few executions are botched, and many of the recent ones are due to the fact that drug companies are denying certain chemicals, thus forcing states to experiment.

[ingemann]

Let's say the UK leaves the EU.

What are the practical, short-term and medium-term effects? How does life in the EU and life in the UK actually change?

(The UK never had the Euro, so that doesn't change...)

Hard to answer, it really depend on how the aftermatch is handled.

A Norwegian/Swiss solution: The situation will stay like now, except that London's value as financial centre have becomed much lower. We will likely see a lot of international companies moving their European headquarters to other countries. But in general it will have little effect except for slightly lower growth. Of course this solution demand that UK keep uphold the free movement of labour. The political consequence of this deal will likely be chaotic.

A clean break/free trade agreement: It will be pretty damn horrible.
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I have found some numbers (source: OECD) on the effect of leaving, and these are conservative estimates based on the UK and EU finding a friendly solution.

By 2020 UK will have 3,3% lower GDP than if it stayed in EU. This mean that if example UK's GDP would have grown 8% by 2020 if they stayed in EU. Here their economy would just grow 4,7%.

UK will have 723 fewer job than if they had stayed in EU in the same periode. So if UK would have gained 1 million job with continued EU membership, here they would only 277 000.

In longer term (2030) OECD expect a loss between 2,7% and 7,7% of the GDP, they think a loss of 5,1% would be the most likely .

The British treasury on the other hand expect a loss of 3,8% if a Norwegian deal is reached, while they expect a loss of 7,5% if such a deal is not reached.

The effect on other countries toward 2020

Germany: 0,9%; 278 000 jobs

Spain: 0,6%; 125 000 jobs

Poland: 0,7%; 95 000 jobs

Sweden: 0,7%; 24 000 jobs

Denmark: 0,7%: 13 000 jobs
 
Belgium: 0,7%; 22 000 jobs

Danish link PDFhttp://www.ae.dk/sites/www.ae.dk/files/dokumenter/analyse/ae_brexit-kan-koste-op-mod-13000-danske-arbejdspladser.pdf

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Hanging was always a terrible issue for the Right; a lot of people who supported it in theory were leery about its use in practice and everyone opposed to it was vehemently against. There was never any chance of it coming back when survey showed theoretical support in the 70s and there's less than no chance now.

[Phony Moderate]

I wonder what level of support it has to go down to to prevent the issue from coming up in Parliament every few years.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

It's already at a point where it couldn't win a referendum, let alone attract the support of more than a handful of MPs. Dead issue and gets deader with every passing year.

[afleitch]

It's already at a point where it couldn't win a referendum, let alone attract the support of more than a handful of MPs. Dead issue and gets deader with every passing year.

It's the sort of issue that can't be adequately polled because people generally don't discuss it. You might get an initial 'yes' that very quickly becomes a firm no once you actually start talking about it (and miscarriages of justice etc, which the UK media love)

It's one of three things that are off the table politically along with 'privatising' the NHS, and tweaking with abortion legislation.

[Slow Learner]

Let's say the UK leaves the EU.

What are the practical, short-term and medium-term effects? How does life in the EU and life in the UK actually change?

(The UK never had the Euro, so that doesn't change...)

Let's ask the campaigns:

Bremain: apocalypse, civil war, end of civilisation, Hitler comes back, right said Fred reform and have 28 years of unbroken chart success

Brexit: eh, who cares lol we'll figure out when we get there, at least we'll have less moosleems!! (Somehow)

STOP SCAREMONGERING NAO

[Phony Moderate]

We may think this campaign has been bad, but imagine a death penalty referendum...

[Angel of Death]

Would it be fair to say that the last Prime Minister to leave on his or her own terms was Harold Wilson?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Would it be fair to say that the last Prime Minister to leave on his or her own terms was Harold Wilson?

And also arguably the first.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Would it be fair to say that the last Prime Minister to leave on his or her own terms was Harold Wilson?

And also arguably the first.

What about Stanley Baldwin?

[Blair]

Wasn't Wilson kicked out by MI5

[Illiniwek]

Could anyone have imagined that Cameron's time as PM would end before Obama left office?

[ag]

Could anyone have imagined that Cameron's time as PM would end before Obama left office?

The beauty of parliamentary democracy.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

With Cameron out, wouldn't the politically expedient thing to do for the major parties be to call a new general election? I mean [inks] is going to hit the fan either way so I don't see what the Conservatives lose for agreeing to it (either they have a new mandate for an even longer term in office or they get to say Labour is at fault when things go awry over the next few years).

[ag]

With Cameron out, wouldn't the politically expedient thing to do for the major parties be to call a new general election? I mean [inks] is going to hit the fan either way so I don't see what the Conservatives lose for agreeing to it (either they have a new mandate for an even longer term in office or they get to say Labour is at fault when things go awry over the next few years).

You forget that there may be a hung Parliament. SNP has 54 seats, and will not likely lose any. LDP will likely grow big, on the pro-EU electorate.  What are the chances of either Labour or Tories getting a majority?

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Two Labour MPs submit a no confidence motion against Corbyn

Ugh.