UK General Discussion Thread: mayy lmao

[Gass3268]

BBC: Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could veto Brexit

[Hnv1]

This Scotland veto thing was refuted earlier already.

I feel Watson orchestrated this somehow (and good for him), tomorrow will be Corbyn's judgement day.

So far 10 resigned from the shadow cabinet and 1 sacked, can't see Corbs filling those vacancies fast enough. Unite's big mouth is talking about deselection of rebellious MPs. I hope the PLP stick to Corbyn in the vote with more than 75% giving him the boot

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

You have to say that Dan Jarvis looks incredibly good on paper; in a post-Brexit world most will see the need for STRONG LEADERSHIP and Jarvis is a former Army Major. Also he's not tarnished by any frontbench experience.

On the other hand he's only been in Parliament for five years. Not that that matters to anybody any more.

My feeling is a soft-Left or old-school Right veteran MP with a strong personality and some frontbench experience but nothing terribly high-profile would be ideal, but I can't tell whether I just think that because of wishful thinking or not.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I feel Watson orchestrated this somehow (and good for him), tomorrow will be Corbyn's judgement day.

Definitely organised by someone, but from the way it's happened through the day doubt it was planned for right now. And definitely wasn't if Watson was involved given that he was out of town at the time. Corbyn firing Benn at like 1am seems to have kicked everything off.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

I'm rather surprised that Burnham is sticking behind Corbyn right now. I think that maybe this shows Jeremy's got a fighting chance at surviving?

[Blair]

I'm rather surprised that Burnham is sticking behind Corbyn right now. I think that maybe this shows Jeremy's got a fighting chance at surviving?

Not all- Andy is running for Mayor of Manchester and needs to win a Labour Primary. As someone who voted/worked for Andy it's fair enough to say that he took the cowardly option here.

BTW 6 hours ago I'd be happy with Watson killing Corbyn- but word in the party is that Watson is using this to get the party to deliver the leadership to himself- I'd much rather Dan Jarvis run

[Blair]

Lessons to those in the Labour party just how you sort out a coup (After years of failing; 2006, 2008,2009,2014)

Being the labour nerd I am I'd love to see how this was planned (and sure it's being written/saved) Clearly they've been told to resign 1 an hour (First resignation at 8:19 am, 12th at 9:45) Have managed to dominate news agenda all day

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

I'm interested in who (if anybody in the immediate term) will take Ian Murray's position, as he's the only Scottish Labour MP left.

[Silent Hunter]

Chris Bryant has gone and written a barnstormer of a resignation letter.

Seriously, it's like the Red Wedding tonight.

[Silent Hunter]

I'm interested in who (if anybody in the immediate term) will take Ian Murray's position, as he's the only Scottish Labour MP left.

That sort of thing has never stopped the Tories before.

[Blair]

We're going to have all the unknown junior ministers resigning tomorrow (with 5 at 7.45am) They're are '30' set to go, which isn't that much since each Position (e.g Health) has a team of 3-4 Junior ministers. Most likely they'll work to coordinate it around Corbyn's attempts to re-do a Cabinet reshuffle/

I'm struggling to see how Corbyn can continue here; most people I know who voted for him have given up.

Time for Dan   

[Vega]

We're going to have all the unknown junior ministers resigning tomorrow (with 5 at 7.45am) They're are '30' set to go, which isn't that much since each Position (e.g Health) has a team of 3-4 Junior ministers. Most likely they'll work to coordinate it around Corbyn's attempts to re-do a Cabinet reshuffle/

I'm struggling to see how Corbyn can continue here; most people I know who voted for him have given up.

Time for Dan John.

Indeed.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Chris Bryant has gone and written a barnstormer of a resignation letter.

Link?

[Silent Hunter]

Chris Bryant has gone and written a barnstormer of a resignation letter.

Link?

Here

[Slow Learner]

We're going to have all the unknown junior ministers resigning tomorrow (with 5 at 7.45am) They're are '30' set to go, which isn't that much since each Position (e.g Health) has a team of 3-4 Junior ministers. Most likely they'll work to coordinate it around Corbyn's attempts to re-do a Cabinet reshuffle/

I'm struggling to see how Corbyn can continue here; most people I know who voted for him have given up.

Time for Dan John.

Indeed.

It will not be McDonnell.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Dan Jarvis is an empty suit, and I'm not saying that because I'm a raging lefty, it's just he has no opinions and might as well have been closed in a lab to fit the specifications of what a certain breed of journalist (i.e. the one who patronisingly tries to "understand the working class) thinks is needed. He's our version of Marco Rubio, in that respect.

Corbyn needs to be ushered out with some sort of mutual respect. Infighting and this stupid grandstanding is really not helping the party.

I used to think McDonell was going to be Corbyn's ushered in successor because (Mao aside) he's been a lot better in his role than we might have expected knowing his history. Not sure now, seeing that Bryant called out him as well.

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[Ebsy]

I'm rather surprised that Burnham is sticking behind Corbyn right now. I think that maybe this shows Jeremy's got a fighting chance at surviving?

Or he's waiting to plunge his knife in when it will do the most damage.

[vileplume]

I'm rather surprised that Burnham is sticking behind Corbyn right now. I think that maybe this shows Jeremy's got a fighting chance at surviving?

Or he's waiting to plunge his knife in when it will do the most damage.

No as Senator Blair said Burnham is concerned that joining this coup will wreck his chances of winning the Labour Primary for the Greater Manchester Metro Mayor. He's thinking about his future career plain and simple. If he instead thought helping to topple Corbyn was in his political best interest you can be totally sure he would have thrown Corbyn under the bus without a second thought.

As for whether it gives Corbyn a better survival chance I'm not sure but keeping a senior cabinet minister can do no harm even though it is for entirely the wrong reasons.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The key thing to note is the list of people who have not resigned. Not just Burnham; there are some obviously ambitious people who have stayed put today.

[ag]

The key thing to note is the list of people who have not resigned. Not just Burnham; there are some obviously ambitious people who have stayed put today.

Which ones did so because they think this increases their chances to replace Corbyn?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I cannot claim to see into people's souls. But everyone knows that Owen Smith and Lisa Nandy do not want for ambition. Neither do the Eagle sisters. Or presumably Ashworth. Burnham and Berger are both running for those silly new Metro Mayor posts. O/c this assumes no further quittings.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Hard to believe that a Brexit result, at least in the immediate, would cause more chaos among Labour than the Tories... Oh well, hopefully Labour sorts out their issues quickly and leaves time for Tories to jump at each other's throats in the next few months.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Hard to believe that a Brexit result, at least in the immediate, would cause more chaos among Labour than the Tories... Oh well, hopefully Labour sorts out their issues quickly and leaves time for Tories to jump at each other's throats in the next few months.

You shouldn't be too hopeful. If there is one thing political history shows us, it's that the left is far much more prone to fight among themselves than the center-right is. 

[Phony Moderate]

Hard to believe that a Brexit result, at least in the immediate, would cause more chaos among Labour than the Tories... Oh well, hopefully Labour sorts out their issues quickly and leaves time for Tories to jump at each other's throats in the next few months.

You shouldn't be too hopeful. If there is one thing political history shows us, it's that the left is far much more prone to fight among themselves than the center-right is.  

Not in this country - the Tories have couped (or attempted to) far more leaders than Labour. With Labour it rarely goes beyond the handful of whiney backbenchers.

[Ebowed]

Hard to believe that a Brexit result, at least in the immediate, would cause more chaos among Labour than the Tories... Oh well, hopefully Labour sorts out their issues quickly and leaves time for Tories to jump at each other's throats in the next few months.

Least surprising aspect of this whole disaster, tbh.