UK General Discussion Thread: mayy lmao

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Dan Jarvis is an empty suit, and I'm not saying that because I'm a raging lefty, it's just he has no opinions and might as well have been closed in a lab to fit the specifications of what a certain breed of journalist (i.e. the one who patronisingly tries to "understand the working class) thinks is needed. He's our version of Marco Rubio, in that respect.

Now, THAT's devastating.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

God Corbyn's new Cabinet is awful- not only made up of Corbyn hacks, but also off my quick numbers 50-60% is from the 2015 intake. I can't see how this Cabinet is going to get through a GE

I've literally never heard of any of these people.

[parochial boy]

Laura Kuensberg has just floated the possibility of Mandelson running for leader.

I suppose he might stand a chance of winning, if his opponents were Margaret Thatcher and Nigel Farage...

I mean, say what you want about Corbynistas, but Kuenssberg could at least try to pretend to be impartial, couldn't she?

[afleitch]

[Famous Mortimer]

So when is this confidence voting taking place? I thought it was today. What gives?

[Simfan34]

So when is this confidence voting taking place? I thought it was today. What gives?

Tomorrow. At 2pm, I think.

[Hnv1]

I wonder why Corbyn's did try to sway EdM back to the shadow cabinet, it could show some stability and experience in pretty dodgy forum

[StateBoiler]

http://www.politico.eu/article/inside-account-of-labour-mps-attacks-on-jeremy-corbyn-shadow-cabinet-resignations-brexit/

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[Slow Learner]

I wonder why Corbyn's did try to sway EdM back to the shadow cabinet, it could show some stability and experience in pretty dodgy forum

Just make him leader again tbh

[Antonio the Sixth]

I wonder why Corbyn's did try to sway EdM back to the shadow cabinet, it could show some stability and experience in pretty dodgy forum

Just make him leader again tbh

This!

[Blair]

Laura Kuensberg has just floated the possibility of Mandelson running for leader.

I suppose he might stand a chance of winning, if his opponents were Margaret Thatcher and Nigel Farage...

I mean, say what you want about Corbynistas, but Kuenssberg could at least try to pretend to be impartial, couldn't she?

That was a fake account- she's not that stupid

[Blair]

FTR the Labour Party is facing a Trump moment; a leader who the party know isn't fit to be PM, who lacks the support of the leadership, and who's electoral strategy is 'let's hold huge rallies'

As a Labour member since I was 16, and someone who's dedicated too much time to the party I'd struggle to vote for Corbyn if there was an early election in October

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Laura Kuensberg has just floated the possibility of Mandelson running for leader.

I suppose he might stand a chance of winning, if his opponents were Margaret Thatcher and Nigel Farage...

I mean, say what you want about Corbynistas, but Kuenssberg could at least try to pretend to be impartial, couldn't she?

Doesn't the leader of the Labour Party have to be in the Commons?

[Crumpets]

So... what's the likelihood of the Lib Dems picking up some disenchanted Labourites as a result of this chaos?

[Ebsy]

So... what's the likelihood of the Lib Dems picking up some disenchanted Labourites as a result of this chaos?

If the Lib Dems have their way, next to none. They currently seem to be intent on competing in the "Who's the Least Electable" party category.

[Knives]

Jeremy Corbyn is a lot like Bernie Sanders has bought into his own hype rather than doing what is right.

[Blair]

So... what's the likelihood of the Lib Dems picking up some disenchanted Labourites as a result of this chaos?

If Corbyn stands in the General Election with this current cabinet I'd struggle to vote Labour

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Oh great, Labour is going back on the full suicide mode.

[afleitch]

Merkel:

'We will make sure that negotiations will not be carried out as a cherry-picking exercise. There must be and there will be a palpable difference between those countries who want to be members of the European family and those who don’t ...

Whoever wants to leave this family cannot expect to shed all its responsibilities but keep the privileges ...

Those for example, who want free access to the single market will in return have to respect European basic rights and freedoms ... That’s true for GB just as much as for the others.

Free acccess to the single market is granted to those who accept the four basic European freedoms - that of people, goods, services and capital .Norway for instance is not a member of the European Union but has access to the single market because it accepts open migration from the European Union.'

Hello Schengen!

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I don't think Merkel's strategy here is going to be very helpful for her or for the EU long-term.  At least, she's not repairing the image that exists in some minds of the EU as an "evil, anti-democratic organization."  Not if she makes the UK endure 2+ years of economic turmoil as 'punishment' for leaving.  But I guess in the end, there are no winners here.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Oh, and a couple questions.  Suppose that Scotland does hold a second independence referendum and it passes.  Does Labour have any realistic shot at retaking the Commons in the next decade without Scotland?  Does Labour have any chance at winning a full majority now with the Scottish left almost exclusively behind the SNP?

[Mr. Morden]

Oh, and a couple questions.  Suppose that Scotland does hold a second independence referendum and it passes.  Does Labour have any realistic shot at retaking the Commons in the next decade without Scotland?

I don't see why not.  In all of the Blair victories, for example, Labour won a majority by a margin larger than the total number of seats in Scotland.  Why couldn't they (eventually) rebound back to that level of support?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't think Merkel's strategy here is going to be very helpful for her or for the EU long-term.  At least, she's not repairing the image that exists in some minds of the EU as an "evil, anti-democratic organization."  Not if she makes the UK endure 2+ years of economic turmoil as 'punishment' for leaving.  But I guess in the end, there are no winners here.

What should she do instead? Let the UK get all the perks from the EU while avoiding any of the costs?

It's not about "punishing" the UK for leaving. The UK punished itself by leaving. Now they should bear the consequences of their choice, plain and simple.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I don't think Merkel's strategy here is going to be very helpful for her or for the EU long-term.  At least, she's not repairing the image that exists in some minds of the EU as an "evil, anti-democratic organization."  Not if she makes the UK endure 2+ years of economic turmoil as 'punishment' for leaving.  But I guess in the end, there are no winners here.

What should she do instead? Let the UK get all the perks from the EU while avoiding any of the costs?

It's not about "punishing" the UK for leaving. The UK punished itself by leaving. Now they should bear the consequences of their choice, plain and simple.

Like I said, there really are no winners.  Because no matter what happens, it will inflame the far-right across Europe to push for more leaves; either leaving the EU is an attractive option, or the EU is a cancer that will resort to nefarious means of keeping countries from leaving and threaten them if they do.  The Brexit could have very well started a domino effect, I'm afraid.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't think Merkel's strategy here is going to be very helpful for her or for the EU long-term.  At least, she's not repairing the image that exists in some minds of the EU as an "evil, anti-democratic organization."  Not if she makes the UK endure 2+ years of economic turmoil as 'punishment' for leaving.  But I guess in the end, there are no winners here.

What should she do instead? Let the UK get all the perks from the EU while avoiding any of the costs?

It's not about "punishing" the UK for leaving. The UK punished itself by leaving. Now they should bear the consequences of their choice, plain and simple.

Like I said, there really are no winners.  Because no matter what happens, it will inflame the far-right across Europe to push for more leaves; either leaving the EU is an attractive option, or the EU is a cancer that will resort to nefarious means of keeping countries from leaving and threaten them if they do.  The Brexit could have very well started a domino effect, I'm afraid.

Or maybe it's just that the EU actually provides its member countries with plenty of advantages and that leaving is actually a suicidal gesture?

That's exactly what Brexit will show to the rest of Europe. I'm willing to bet that after this is all over other countries will think twice before following suit.