UK General Discussion Thread: mayy lmao

[Filuwaúrdjan]

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[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

God damn it Britain, I know you have some sort of weird unconscious prejudice and bigotry towards red-headed people, but just leave the hot ginger and his new girlfriend alone!

[Hnv1]

When has marriage to a divorced actress ever gone well?

I've thought about this for a solid three minutes and cannot come up with an example off the top of my head.

A certain Edward?

[Tetro Kornbluth]

So the BBC apparently thinks that the revelation that some Prince is dating some actress I've never heard of (and that he hates that the media is harassing her) is more important news than something else that's taking place today, as it's the current top story on its website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37908096

Notice the irony anyone?

Surely the broadcasting rules that apply to our general election days don't also apply to U.S. presidential election days do they?

She's half-black, so the media reaction is very interesting.

[Silent Hunter]

So the BBC apparently thinks that the revelation that some Prince is dating some actress I've never heard of (and that he hates that the media is harassing her)

I watch Suits myself and so I had definitely heard of her. The Daily Mail has been going on about her 'racy scenes', which are tame compared to the sort of ones done by (often British) actors in shows like Game of Thrones.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Thomas Mair convicted of Jo Cox's murder: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38079594

Whole life tariff imposed as you'd expect given that this was a political assassination and terrorism. A point made by the judge in his sentencing remarks.

Anyway...

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[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Memo warning government ministers not to leak memos is leaked

hahahaha

[Blair]

Tbh Ed Balls said in his memoirs that most things like this in government are cock ups, that look like grand conspiracies.

Besides, I'm convinced Brexit is just an entire Yes, Minister episode. There was even an episode where they said that Leak investigations are conducted by the people who probably leaked in the first place.

[Silent Hunter]

Tbh Ed Balls

Who will soon seen by thousands on the Strictly Come Dancing tour... funny old year this.

[Helsinkian]

McDonald's moving international headquarters from Luxembourg to UK in a "post-Brexit vote of confidence": http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/mcdonald-s-moves-non-us-base-to-uk-after-run-in-with-eu-tax-regulators-a7464106.html

[NewYorkExpress]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/15/world/europe/brexit-talks-could-stretch-10-years-british-official-warns.html?_r=0

A top aide to Prime Minister May says Brexit could take ten years to negotiate.

[IceAgeComing]

that's hardly shocking; that's how long it took to get CETA through; and also as long as TTIP was going to take.

[Intell]

With talks about the working class being racist fyck, how do the White  Working Class vote in the UK, , and also the white working class vote in England compared to other countries in the UK. What would be the most left-wing working class group, and the least left-wing working class group. How much more left-wing are the working class whites, than middle class whites?

[Blair]

With talks about the working class being racist fyck, how do the White  Working Class vote in the UK, , and also the white working class vote in England compared to other countries in the UK. What would be the most left-wing working class group, and the least left-wing working class group. How much more left-wing are the working class whites, than middle class whites?

Prepare to be bored to death (I'm sure another UK poster will correct all of this)

Often the WWC is broken up into the NRS social grade of C1/C2/D1 ( at least when looking at it in depth) which basically means people who are skilled (C1) Semi Skilled (C2) or unskilled workers (D1) Looking at the voters for that group they vote Labour as a whole- with a 13% lead for unskilled workers. As UK politics is a lot less demographic focused (at least within our media) than the US it's hard for me to get the numbers off the top of my head but I'd still say the WWC lean towards Labour.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3575/How-Britain-voted-in-2015.aspx

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Comparable datasets to US exit polls don't actually exist in the UK, which means that if you want NUMBERS you must rely on poll aggregates (problematic to say the least). The most methodologically sound of these is the set produced by MORI; if you see a different post-election dataset being quoted then you immediately know that the person in question is not worth listening to.

Market research companies traditionally use the NRS social grade system which is also problematic because it was designed to reflect the distribution of jobs within a manufacturing-driven economy and has not aged well. The descriptive terms to describe the categories increasingly feel very arbitrary (but then they were always odd: it makes very little sense to class a foreman and a tradesman in the same social category, particularly if you're looking at voting habits, and makes less sense to then add farmers to the same group) and the distribution of jobs into categories in some cases feels not so much arbitrary as willfully perverse...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Anyway, probably the best way of putting this is to say that in most of the country most of Labour's vote comes from people who are white and working class, and that a significant share comes from this direction even in more diverse areas. The percentage who vote that way is generally highest in the old heavy industrial districts (particularly the old coalfields) and lowest in agricultural areas without much of a Labour tradition. The inverse of this is basically true of the Conservative Party, particularly now that the historic Working Class Tory vote that existed in some industrial areas (Lancashire for instance) has gone into terminal decline. For both major parties things are most volatile on this count in newer settlements, particularly the New Towns.

[DC Al Fine]

A few questions for you Sibboleth, or anyone else who cares to answer:

The descriptive terms to describe the categories increasingly feel very arbitrary (but then they were always odd: it makes very little sense to class a foreman and a tradesman in the same social category, particularly if you're looking at voting habits,

I assume the tradesman votes more Tory? I have some vague recollection that people like that were fairly pro-Thatcher.

and the distribution of jobs into categories in some cases feels not so much arbitrary as willfully perverse...

Just curious, but how would a Chartered Accountant be classified? I can't seem to find a decent set of examples for each grade, and could see myself fitting anywhere from C1 to A depending on how you defined the grades... which I suppose is why it isn't very useful.

[parochial boy]

and the distribution of jobs into categories in some cases feels not so much arbitrary as willfully perverse...

Just curious, but how would a Chartered Accountant be classified? I can't seem to find a decent set of examples for each grade, and could see myself fitting anywhere from C1 to A depending on how you defined the grades... which I suppose is why it isn't very useful.

Chartered Accountant would probably be A or B depending on how senior they are.

A recently qualified one (me! yay!) would be B, but my boss would easily be A.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I assume the tradesman votes more Tory?

Er... no. Other way round

There's a cliché - and as is often the way there's a grain of truth to it - of workers turning Tory the moment they get promoted to foreman.

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Parochial_boy is right; it would depend on your position within whatever firm you work in.

[DC Al Fine]

and the distribution of jobs into categories in some cases feels not so much arbitrary as willfully perverse...

Just curious, but how would a Chartered Accountant be classified? I can't seem to find a decent set of examples for each grade, and could see myself fitting anywhere from C1 to A depending on how you defined the grades... which I suppose is why it isn't very useful.

Chartered Accountant would probably be A or B depending on how senior they are.

A recently qualified one (me! yay!) would be B, but my boss would easily be A.

Congrats! I guess that means I'm a B then.

I assume the tradesman votes more Tory?

Er... no. Other way round

There's a cliché - and as is often the way there's a grain of truth to it - of workers turning Tory the moment they get promoted to foreman.

Oh ok. I was thinking Tradey = Independent small business = Tory, but I guess that's my North American experience talking.

[2952-0-0]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-god-given-chance-steal-9514138

It should kill delusions of grandeur among Brexiteers that the US under Trump will give post-Brexit UK a sweetheart trade deal. But it probably won't.

[Phony Moderate]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-god-given-chance-steal-9514138

It should kill delusions of grandeur among Brexiteers that the US under Trump will give post-Brexit UK a sweetheart trade deal. But it probably won't.

We don't have a sweetheart trade deal with anyone at present tbh.

[Silent Hunter]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-god-given-chance-steal-9514138

It should kill delusions of grandeur among Brexiteers that the US under Trump will give post-Brexit UK a sweetheart trade deal. But it probably won't.

We don't have a sweetheart trade deal with anyone at present tbh.

Except for the EU...

[parochial boy]

The Tories want to bring a voter ID law. Currently 7.5% of the population don't have an photo ID.

So gerrymandering, individual registration and now voter ID. Anybody noticing some sort of theme?

[vileplume]

The Tories want to bring a voter ID law. Currently 7.5% of the population don't have an photo ID.

So gerrymandering, individual registration and now voter ID. Anybody noticing some sort of theme?

Er they aren't gerrymandering. Labour seats particularly those in Wales tend to be grossly undersized and the current boundaries are based on old data so there needs to be some change. It's the boundary commission that has proposed some new horrendous constituencies not the Tories.

As for photo ID it is probably strongly supported by the public as a whole. It is quite easy in Britain to walk into the polling station and pretend to be anyone. If this is introduced the government will be pressurised to make access to id easier. However it is not the in person vote but instead the postal vote where the strongest most credible allegations of electoral fraud happen particularly in Labour areas with large Muslim populations such as Tower Hamlets, Nelson, Halifax, parts of Birmingham etc. for example fake voters on the rolls and 'community leaders' filling out everyone's ballots for them or heavily controlling how the members of their community vote. That's the part of the voting process which needs tightening up the most.