UK General Discussion Thread: mayy lmao

[Filuwaúrdjan]

This is cheap. I am cheap. I laughed.

[Silent Hunter]

This is cheap. I am cheap. I laughed.

Guess I'm cheap as well...

[IceAgeComing]

This is cheap. I am cheap. I laughed.

ahahaha

[Green Line]

I hear Brexit will be bad for the insurance industry in London.  Too bad.

[ChrisDR68]

The EU withdrawal bill is short and to the point:

A

BILL

TO

Confer power on the Prime Minister to notify, under Article 50(2) of the Treaty
on European Union, the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the EU.

Be it enacted by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:—

1 Power to notify withdrawal from the EU

(1) The Prime Minister may notify, under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the EU.

(2) This section has effect despite any provision made by or under the European Communities Act 1972 or any other enactment.

2 Short title

This Act may be cited as the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2016-2017/0132/cbill_2016-20170132_en_2.htm#l1g1

[Blair]

We've got the bizarre situation currently happening in the Labour Party where the whips are planning on rebelling...

https://twitter.com/EllieJPrice/status/824643344743731200

[IceAgeComing]

They don't seem to have an enactment clause in that bill which is odd; normally even if there is to be no delay between royal assent and the bill coming into force you have a "this act will come into force immediately" clause.

That thing about Labour whips whipping for while voting against is really silly since it'll be very clear how they've voted in any division and they'd have to resign then.

[Blair]

You'd assume that but in Corbyns Labour you don't actually get punished for voting against the Whip...

[Phony Moderate]

The (or at least *a*) problem for Labour (from a PR POV) is that Europe has never really been an issue that's fussed most of the party that much, aside from some fanatics. There certainly hasn't been a factional sh**tfest defined by the issue.

[Blair]

The (or at least *a*) problem for Labour (from a PR POV) is that Europe has never really been an issue that's fussed most of the party that much, aside from some fanatics. There certainly hasn't been a factional sh**tfest defined by the issue.

I mean in the 70's it divided the party quite strongly, and one of the big efforts of Kinnock was to drag the Party to support the EUC. The irony is that the biggest Corbyn supporters I know were also the most vocal about brexit

[Antonio the Sixth]

Honestly, it would do Labour a lot of good to have a stronger eurosceptic wing. I say this as someone who's about as europhile as you get these days.

[Intell]

A socialist labour party for euroscepticism for the win!

[parochial boy]

A socialist labour party for euroscepticism for the win!

Out of curiosity, why don't you like the EU?

I imagine because of the neoliberal-austerity argument, rather than the "take back control" one?

[Phony Moderate]

Honestly, it would do Labour a lot of good to have a stronger eurosceptic wing. I say this as someone who's about as europhile as you get these days.

Yeah, during the campaign it was bizarrely Kate Hoey (rather socially conservative and also a staunch NI unionist) who ended up being the leading parliamentary voice for the left-wing Brexit case. Others such as Gisela Stuart basically went for the same angle as Boris Johnson.

[Blair]

Jo Stevens resigns as Shadow Wales Secretary (meaning we're on number 6 for the last 16 months)

I can't see any other cabinet members leaving; but I reckon at least 10 junior ministers or whips could.

Surely Corbyn has had more resignations than any other opposition; or even government in the last two years

[Intell]

A socialist labour party for euroscepticism for the win!

Out of curiosity, why don't you like the EU?

I imagine because of the neoliberal-austerity argument, rather than the "take back control" one?

Both tbh.

[Hnv1]

Will Corbs ever be able to maintain a functioning front bench for more than 6 months?

[DavidB.]

A socialist labour party for euroscepticism for the win!

Out of curiosity, why don't you like the EU?

I imagine because of the neoliberal-austerity argument, rather than the "take back control" one?

Both tbh.

The only right answer, imo.

[Blair]

Will Corbs ever be able to maintain a functioning front bench for more than 6 months?

The Front Bench is just McDonnell and Abbott trying to pull Corbyn towards being a hardline anti-NATO/Anti-Austerity/Anti-EU figure (what Mcdonnell wants) or a left wing pro- freedom of movement/pro-migrant (what Abbott wants)

For everyone else in Labour it's about who succeeds Corbyn- Keir Starmer is doing his own Brexit thing, Clive Lewis is distancing himself on EU and NATO and Emily Thornberry is sticking her head up Corbyn's backside

[afleitch]

This is slightly disturbing

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/30/transgender-woman-denied-direct-access-to-ultra-orthodox-jewish-children

[ChrisDR68]

MP's vote 498 to 114 in favour of invoking Article 50.

A majority of 384.

Now the bill goes to the Lords.

[Phony Moderate]

Kenneth Clarke was the only Tory to vote against.

[Antonio the Sixth]

You know I'm about as pro-EU as a left-winger could possibly be these days, but all those Labour MPs voting against article 50 are pathetic.

[ag]

You know I'm about as pro-EU as a left-winger could possibly be these days, but all those Labour MPs voting against article 50 are pathetic.

They happen to be the only honest Labour MPs.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

You know I'm about as pro-EU as a left-winger could possibly be these days, but all those Labour MPs voting against article 50 are pathetic.

They happen to be the only honest Labour MPs.

TIL the role of an MP is to rule her constituents, not to put their desires into practice in the best-intentioned and most expedient way possible or any ~populist~ nonsense like that. How Burkean of you!