Wyoming passses law that criminalizes collection of enviromental data

[pbrower2a]

What part of the First Amendment does the Wyoming state legislature fail to understand?

[AggregateDemand]

Seizing land? Bundy was the one trying to seize land, not the Feds.  The idea that renters have a right to seize property they've been renting is absolutely abhorrent to anyone who cares about the rule of law.

I see you're still trying to make sense of mountain west eco warfare. Spend more time out that way. You'll stop trying.

Honestly, this Wyoming bill is perfectly normal. Just like people Wyoming gun owners spending a small fortune to expand gun rights in the national parks and forests. Hatfields and McCoys.

[Cory]

How do you think the federal government seizes land? Are you really so myopic that you've already forgotten about the Cliven Bundy affair?

If you don't understand the ecological politics of the Mountain West, don't comment.

*NUCLEAR FACEPALM*

[Ebsy]

I wonder who AggregateDemand thinks should own the land the federal government has owned since the Mexican American war(in both Nevada and Wyoming, coincidentally).

[AggregateDemand]

I wonder who AggregateDemand thinks should own the land the federal government has owned since the Mexican American war(in both Nevada and Wyoming, coincidentally).

I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just amazed at the general lack of education about land-rights in the West. Ecology is a big part of it.

[SteveRogers]

I wonder who AggregateDemand thinks should own the land the federal government has owned since the Mexican American war(in both Nevada and Wyoming, coincidentally).

I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just amazed at the general lack of education about land-rights in the West. Ecology is a big part of it.

Ok, but what was your point about Cliven Bundy?

[AggregateDemand]

Ok, but what was your point about Cliven Bundy?

My point was that it all started over some hoopla about tortoise habitat, and both the government and the land-rights states-rights citizens reacted disproportionately to the aggression of the other.

To the casual observer, the storm erupted from a clear blue sky, but that's because they don't know the history of the West. No one should be surprised that Wyoming is attempting to ban the collection of ecological data.

[Slander and/or Libel]

Cliven Bundy hadn't paid grazing fees for 20 years. That's separate from any talk about ecology.

[AggregateDemand]

Cliven Bundy hadn't paid grazing fees for 20 years. That's separate from any talk about ecology.

Which underlines how unimportant the grazing fees were. No one cared, and no one really cared if he paid 20 years to get current. They wanted to restrict grazing rights from local ag, particularly Mr. Bundy because a tortoise was endangered or because BLM ecologists wanted the land to remain unmolested by humans and livestock.

Regardless, these kinds of conflicts are common, but most of them are never reported. How many people know that you couldn't even collect rainwater off of your own roof in Colorado until the liberalization laws in 2009?

Conflict with federal administrations and state agencies that accept federal money is just part of life in the West.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Aggie D is right that there are reasons why a law like this is good politics in these states. People don't want anyone snooping around their land who might alert the feds to something.  That doesn't make this a good law.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Seizing land? Bundy was the one trying to seize land, not the Feds.  The idea that renters have a right to seize property they've been renting is absolutely abhorrent to anyone who cares about the rule of law.

I see you're still trying to make sense of mountain west eco warfare. Spend more time out that way. You'll stop trying.

I'm quite aware that out west so called "independent" people still cling to the former policy of the Feds subsidizing them with below market rate access to land and water.  At the very least, if Bundy was going to claim that nothing above county government exists and that the land was his, he should have paid property taxes to the county on the Federal land he's been squatting on for two decades. Of course, that would likely have been considerably more expensive than the grazing fees he's refused to pay as part of his "right to squat".

[CountryClassSF]

Bundy is still in the news? He lost all credibility when he basically said he supported slavery

[Landslide Lyndon]

Aggie D is right that there are reasons why a law like this is good politics in these states. People don't want anyone snooping around their land who might alert the feds to something.  That doesn't make this a good law.

Passing blatantly unconstitutional laws is good politics, huh?
Thanks for your insight.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Aggie D is right that there are reasons why a law like this is good politics in these states. People don't want anyone snooping around their land who might alert the feds to something.  That doesn't make this a good law.

Passing blatantly unconstitutional laws is good politics, huh?
Thanks for your insight.

You're welcome.  You seem to be lacking on insight into this issue so I'm glad to share.

[CountryClassSF]

I am glad Wyoming is standing up to these people.

[BaconBacon96]

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why

[Landslide Lyndon]

Aggie D is right that there are reasons why a law like this is good politics in these states. People don't want anyone snooping around their land who might alert the feds to something.  That doesn't make this a good law.

Passing blatantly unconstitutional laws is good politics, huh?
Thanks for your insight.

You're welcome.  You seem to be lacking on insight into this issue so I'm glad to share.

You seem to be lacking much more important things than insight into this issue.

I am glad Wyoming is standing up to these people.

By these people you mean people with cell phones?