Wyoming passses law that criminalizes collection of enviromental data

[AggregateDemand]

Environmental conflict between Wyoming and the Federal government goes back over a century. In 1950, Wyoming won a special judgment that thwarts executive power to create national monuments in the state.

This has been going on since the days of Yellowstone.

[AggregateDemand]

Yeah, because this is just like that. Don't try to excuse the inexcusable.

I'm pointing out the existence of a long-standing feud. My only argument is that ecological conflict between Wyoming and DC is the norm. People are only shocked if they don't know the history.

[AggregateDemand]

No, you're making a false equivalence. This is obviously a totally different situation done in an attempt to cover up a public health concern.

How do you think the federal government seizes land? Are you really so myopic that you've already forgotten about the Cliven Bundy affair?

If you don't understand the ecological politics of the Mountain West, don't comment.

[AggregateDemand]

Do yourself a favor and follow your own advice.

Clueless worshipper of racist presidents telling me not to provide background information about mountain west ecopolitics to a vainglorious east coaster. So Atlas.

Least Coast powah

[AggregateDemand]

Seizing land? Bundy was the one trying to seize land, not the Feds.  The idea that renters have a right to seize property they've been renting is absolutely abhorrent to anyone who cares about the rule of law.

I see you're still trying to make sense of mountain west eco warfare. Spend more time out that way. You'll stop trying.

Honestly, this Wyoming bill is perfectly normal. Just like people Wyoming gun owners spending a small fortune to expand gun rights in the national parks and forests. Hatfields and McCoys.

[AggregateDemand]

I wonder who AggregateDemand thinks should own the land the federal government has owned since the Mexican American war(in both Nevada and Wyoming, coincidentally).

I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just amazed at the general lack of education about land-rights in the West. Ecology is a big part of it.

[AggregateDemand]

Ok, but what was your point about Cliven Bundy?

My point was that it all started over some hoopla about tortoise habitat, and both the government and the land-rights states-rights citizens reacted disproportionately to the aggression of the other.

To the casual observer, the storm erupted from a clear blue sky, but that's because they don't know the history of the West. No one should be surprised that Wyoming is attempting to ban the collection of ecological data.

[AggregateDemand]

Cliven Bundy hadn't paid grazing fees for 20 years. That's separate from any talk about ecology.

Which underlines how unimportant the grazing fees were. No one cared, and no one really cared if he paid 20 years to get current. They wanted to restrict grazing rights from local ag, particularly Mr. Bundy because a tortoise was endangered or because BLM ecologists wanted the land to remain unmolested by humans and livestock.

Regardless, these kinds of conflicts are common, but most of them are never reported. How many people know that you couldn't even collect rainwater off of your own roof in Colorado until the liberalization laws in 2009?

Conflict with federal administrations and state agencies that accept federal money is just part of life in the West.