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Mr. Morden
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« on: May 11, 2015, 08:18:22 PM »

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pakistanis-knew-where-bin-laden-was-say-us-sources-n357306

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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2015, 10:06:38 PM »

I think everyone more or less figured as much.
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2015, 10:13:03 PM »

Duh.
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2015, 10:24:42 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2015, 10:55:57 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2015, 12:41:56 AM »

The story here is not that Pakistan knew about OBL's whereabouts (which has been known for a while), but that Hersh is reporting that Pakistan had OBL under house arrest and allowed the United States to kill him, with both government's covering this all up as a "daring nighttime raid." See the Vox article for more: http://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8588333/sentences-hersh-bin-laden
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2015, 01:33:49 AM »

The story here is not that Pakistan knew about OBL's whereabouts (which has been known for a while), but that Hersh is reporting that Pakistan had OBL under house arrest and allowed the United States to kill him, with both government's covering this all up as a "daring nighttime raid." See the Vox article for more: http://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8588333/sentences-hersh-bin-laden

That certainly isn't terribly surprising either.
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2015, 04:33:34 AM »

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden

The full story actually makes for pretty interesting reading. Highlights are Hersh alleging that the US government lied not only about the role of torture in the process of finding OBL, but also about the use of a fake vaccination campaign for getting a positive DNA-identification of him, with rather disastrous results for legitimate vaccination campaigns in Pakistan.
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2015, 04:42:41 AM »

Obama was right. Clinton and McCain were wrong.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/flashback-2008-mccain-clinton-slam-obama-for-saying-he-d-go-get-bin-laden-in-pakistan-video

Gee, the people who wanted war with Iran and wanted to arm the Syrian jihadists didn't want to get Bin Laden if he was in Pakistan.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2015, 06:34:11 AM »

The story here is not that Pakistan knew about OBL's whereabouts (which has been known for a while), but that Hersh is reporting that Pakistan had OBL under house arrest and allowed the United States to kill him, with both government's covering this all up as a "daring nighttime raid." See the Vox article for more: http://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8588333/sentences-hersh-bin-laden

NBC's more limited story seems to have better sourcing.  Hersh's reporting on this is problematic:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/05/seymour-hersh-bin-laden-story-117830.html?hp=t2_r#.VVHjxkuBBBU

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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2015, 07:02:28 AM »

Hersh is notorious for making things up and attributing them to anonymous sources without providing any other corroborating evidence, fwiw, and has certainly jumped the shark at this point
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2015, 07:15:25 PM »

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From what I have read about ISI, it doesn't necessarily follow from the claim that "elements of ISI" knew that "the Pakistani government", in the fashion of a normal coherent government, knew.
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2015, 11:33:17 AM »

Indeed. As we speak, the ISI Rangers has essentially taken over Karachi.
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2015, 02:25:31 PM »

I believe the NBC story, but not the See-more Hersh story.
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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2015, 02:47:12 PM »

Hersh has a history of writing sensational stories of foreign intrigue based on rumors that turn out to be completely fabricated.
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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2015, 03:12:33 PM »

If that's true, the administration would have been able to pick the timing for Bin Laden's killing for political points. It happened dead in the middle of nowhere May 2011.
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2015, 11:30:58 AM »

If that's true, the administration would have been able to pick the timing for Bin Laden's killing for political points. It happened dead in the middle of nowhere May 2011.

I once read a conspiracy theory that said Obama timed the Osama capture to help Stephen Harper get reelected for some reason
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