Opinion of a Different Kind of Dude Fest

[they don't love you like i love you]

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I did not attend this one, but regardless, it was a definite Freedom Fest.

[Lief 🗽]

Sounds like a freedom fest to me.

[they don't love you like i love you]

The votes so far show many people here really want to continue the patriarchy.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

very very gay

[they don't love you like i love you]

very very gay

Uh, it was organized and booked by a heterosexual woman.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

very very gay

Uh, it was organized and booked by a heterosexual woman.

Hetero women love teh gayz, Red.

[Thunderbird is the word]

Definitely a freedom fest, I can't stand hyper machoism.

[TNF]

>masculinity 'workshops'

lmao

[they don't love you like i love you]

I guarantee you'd never see a metal fest with such a progressive goal.

[Thunderbird is the word]

I guarantee you'd never see a metal fest with such a progressive goal.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

I guarantee you'd never see a metal fest with such a progressive goal.

It's not like there are a ton of socialist/communist metal bands or anything

(note: I'm listening to Rammstein right now, a German industrial metal band who has a song in which the lead singer repeatedly says in German "my heart beats left" and refrences a marching song by Bertolt Brecht)

[Cranberry]

I guarantee you'd never see a metal fest with such a progressive goal.

It's not like there are a ton of socialist/communist metal bands or anything

(note: I'm listening to Rammstein right now, a German industrial metal band who has a song in which the lead singer repeatedly says in German "my heart beats left" and refrences a marching song by Bertolt Brecht)

Links 2 3 4?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I don't give a f**k.

[they don't love you like i love you]

I guarantee you'd never see a metal fest with such a progressive goal.

It's not like there are a ton of socialist/communist metal bands or anything

(note: I'm listening to Rammstein right now, a German industrial metal band who has a song in which the lead singer repeatedly says in German "my heart beats left" and refrences a marching song by Bertolt Brecht)

Do they promote such SJW type things? Would any metal band ever challenge concepts of masculinity?

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

lol who cares

[Cranberry]

I guarantee you'd never see a metal fest with such a progressive goal.

It's not like there are a ton of socialist/communist metal bands or anything

(note: I'm listening to Rammstein right now, a German industrial metal band who has a song in which the lead singer repeatedly says in German "my heart beats left" and refrences a marching song by Bertolt Brecht)

Do they promote such SJW type things? Would any metal band ever challenge concepts of masculinity?

Rammstein? Lol no

[Beet]

Freedom Fest.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

I guarantee you'd never see a metal fest with such a progressive goal.

It's not like there are a ton of socialist/communist metal bands or anything

(note: I'm listening to Rammstein right now, a German industrial metal band who has a song in which the lead singer repeatedly says in German "my heart beats left" and refrences a marching song by Bertolt Brecht)

Do they promote such SJW type things? Would any metal band ever challenge concepts of masculinity?

I feel like the whole wide wonderful world of female-fronted metal bands and visual kei bands with deliberately ambiguous gender presentation not only answers this question but makes it a whole lot stupider than it would initially seem to somebody who's ignorant about metal.

I didn't vote in the poll because the concept of this festival is good but I'm sure the music is mostly awful.

[Cory]

Do they promote such SJW type things? Would any metal band ever challenge concepts of masculinity?

Probably not, thank God.

[DemPGH]

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100% total wastage of time.

HF, clearly.

[Badger]

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100% total wastage of time.

HF, clearly.

[they don't love you like i love you]

I guarantee you'd never see a metal fest with such a progressive goal.

It's not like there are a ton of socialist/communist metal bands or anything

(note: I'm listening to Rammstein right now, a German industrial metal band who has a song in which the lead singer repeatedly says in German "my heart beats left" and refrences a marching song by Bertolt Brecht)

Do they promote such SJW type things? Would any metal band ever challenge concepts of masculinity?

I feel like the whole wide wonderful world of female-fronted metal bands and visual kei bands with deliberately ambiguous gender presentation not only answers this question but makes it a whole lot stupider than it would initially seem to somebody who's ignorant about metal.

How does this challenge concepts of masculinity?

Also I just can't imagine a metal band ever including an insert like this in one of their records:



or any metal lyricist willing to call out himself for sexist behavior like in this song. Because this is EXACTLY the type of stuff that I saw people on metal forums make fun of in their "haha let's all laugh at those PC idiots in hardcore" threads that I saw reported on some of my forums all the time...

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

I guarantee you'd never see a metal fest with such a progressive goal.

It's not like there are a ton of socialist/communist metal bands or anything

(note: I'm listening to Rammstein right now, a German industrial metal band who has a song in which the lead singer repeatedly says in German "my heart beats left" and refrences a marching song by Bertolt Brecht)

Do they promote such SJW type things? Would any metal band ever challenge concepts of masculinity?

I feel like the whole wide wonderful world of female-fronted metal bands and visual kei bands with deliberately ambiguous gender presentation not only answers this question but makes it a whole lot stupider than it would initially seem to somebody who's ignorant about metal.

How does this challenge concepts of masculinity?

1. I've never heard of this band before and the music isn't good enough for me to care about them.
2. Women don't have to 'challenge concepts of masculinity' in the hyper-specific way that you seem to be talking about. That's one of the things about being a woman. If the metal community is as overwhelmingly testosterone-poisoned as you think it is, the fact that this band has a female lead singer is challenging concepts of masculinity. You're essentially saying that you know more about what constitutes an appropriate 'challenge to concepts of masculinity' than the women in metal bands, which could be true, but the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate it with an analysis more trenchant than tumblr buzzwords and quasi-Maoist 'confessions' that remind one uncomfortably of Dogma 95.
3. You've gone from asking if any metal bands challenge concepts of masculinity to basically insinuating that every metal band has to in order for you to be willing to concede that it's possible. You made a ridiculous absolute statement, asking a question that even granting that metal tends to be a depressingly macho subculture is so broad as to be ridiculous, then moved the goalposts when somebody answered it seriously.
4. Kagrra, is a fun band.

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5. That kind of direct, painfully earnest disclaimer for one's own irony generally functions as ass-covering for doing the irony poorly. Honestly, I'd be with the metalheads in making fun of this, only in my case it'd be for its form rather than its content.
6. It also reads like an excerpt from a Dr Bronner's soap bottle.
7. The real reason why this argument is stupid anyway is because well-adjusted people would concede that a band, or an artist of any kind really, can have politics that deviate from anodyne third-wave-feminist-influenced American social liberalism and still be worth paying attention to. The Kinks are one of the best bands to come out of the sixties and they have lyrics that tend to imply traditionalist conservatism, of all ideologies. Fyodor Dostoyevsky had pronounced antisemitic tendencies, and was a great writer. Who knows what the people who built Kinkaku-ji or Fushimi Inari thought about The Issues? Who cares? I'm not willing to throw my lot in with Harold Bloom and say that politics and aesthetics are mutually irrelevant, but there's more to aesthetics than politics just as there's more to politics than aesthetics.

I also think you perennially underestimate the extent to which death/black/extreme metal and the type of music that you listen to sound similar (in their unpleasantness) to people who aren't into them.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Also I just can't imagine a metal band ever including an insert like this in one of their records:



or any metal lyricist willing to call out himself for sexist behavior like in this song. Because this is EXACTLY the type of stuff that I saw people on metal forums make fun of in their "haha let's all laugh at those PC idiots in hardcore" threads that I saw reported on some of my forums all the time...

Well no, because that's fucking stupid.

[Deus Naturae]

I can understand being a herb who supports this stuff...but traveling to another city to do it and talk about it in some kind of conference? Who has time to waste doing that?