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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2015, 10:44:11 PM »

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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2015, 01:05:10 AM »

Wait, Nebraska gets rid of it, but California votes to retain it? Weird.
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2015, 01:13:41 AM »


As I've previously stated, it's the only policy that protects inmates and correctional officers. Without the death penalty, people serving life terms can kill whoever they want with no fear of consequences.

But they already do that; death penalties don't seem to be a deterrent for those who would commit crimes like that. Also, death penalties seem to target the wrong person far too often.
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2015, 01:34:04 AM »

For Beet: there's been a lot of movement in Republican circles on this issue over just the last couple years because the death penalty is getting expensive. Even the most gung ho of capital punishment states have seriously eased off on the practice.

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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2015, 01:39:28 AM »

Now we know what happened to all of the people that knew of Hillary's misdeeds.
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« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2015, 02:09:47 AM »


I didn't know you were a pro-lifer Smilo, that's actually kind of shocking to me.
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« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2015, 10:12:00 AM »


Problem is the unborn isn't a human until it pops out or at the very very least reaches the 3rd trimester.
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« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2015, 10:23:59 AM »

Excellent news! WV of courses did away with it too, so you never know. There is a very good cut-costs argument against it. Either way, I don't care the reasoning, although I'd prefer if they'd just recognize it as unjust and not in any way a deterrent, but getting rid of it for whatever reason is good!
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« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2015, 10:41:53 AM »


Problem is the unborn isn't a human until it pops out or at the very very least reaches the 3rd trimester.

What a vile remark, an affront to both science and humanity.
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« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2015, 10:50:08 AM »


I used to be more on the pro-choice side, but I'm starting to gravitate toward this too.

Despite what I said on the other thread, if it makes economical sense to abolish the death penalty in the state of Nebraska (which rarely gives the death penalty anyways), I have no problems with that; the federal courts/terrorist cases are a little different because the crimes committed by terrorists tend to be so horrific. 
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« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2015, 10:51:30 AM »


Problem is the unborn isn't a human until it pops out or at the very very least reaches the 3rd trimester.

What a vile remark, an affront to both science and humanity.

Says someone who supports state executions.
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« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2015, 11:27:06 AM »

This is a huge step for the movement to abolish the death penalty. Obviously, the left is already largely on board on the basis of morality. If we can start getting the right to oppose the death penalty as being wasteful and unnecessary big government, death penalty abolition will take hold in many more states. As noted, it would be the first conservative state to abolish the death penalty since North Dakota in 1973.

I think it's also worth mentioning that death penalty abolition failed in the Republican-dominated House in February by just a tie 50-50 vote. Granted, it was a failure, but a 50-50 split did mean there was more than incidental Republican support for the bill.

On this, I will take the victories from wherever they come and Nebraska is a big win if it happens. However, even if we get 30 or even 35 states to abolish the death penalty, I think its use will be largely unchanged (short of judicial intervention). The real problem is that the most proactive death penalty states are very ardently supportive (namely Texas, Oklahoma, and most of the South).
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« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2015, 01:09:27 PM »


Yes, banning the death penalty is much too radical.  The death penalty is obviously immoral, but let's not get carried away here.  We should only ban the death penalty for 55% of Nebraska's death row inmates.
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« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2015, 04:47:31 PM »

Yeah, I never saw the connection between the government conducting a revenge killing, whether they got the right person or not, and a woman choosing to terminate a pregnancy.
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« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2015, 05:00:32 PM »

Yeah, I never saw the connection between the government conducting a revenge killing, whether they got the right person or not, and a woman choosing to terminate a pregnancy.
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« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2015, 05:05:13 PM »
« Edited: May 16, 2015, 05:07:09 PM by CountryClassSF »

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Indeed. Sad. Really physically sickens me that some people think that way.

I did vote to retain the death penalty in 2012 - but realistically, nothing would happen if we voted to repeal it in California.  I can't remember the last time an execution was carried out here.

I have no moral objection to it, but maybe there is a cost effectiveness argument to be made in the future.  It wasn't made properly in 2012. 
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« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2015, 05:26:50 PM »

As I've previously stated, it's the only policy that protects inmates and correctional officers. Without the death penalty, people serving life terms can kill whoever they want with no fear of consequences.

Surely as has previously been stated to you, if this were such a serious problem that it is the one thing that warrants retention of the death penalty, the majority of the world's countries would have to wrestle with this on a regular basis.  They don't.
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« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2015, 06:49:16 PM »

As I've previously stated, it's the only policy that protects inmates and correctional officers. Without the death penalty, people serving life terms can kill whoever they want with no fear of consequences.

Surely as has previously been stated to you, if this were such a serious problem that it is the one thing that warrants retention of the death penalty, the majority of the world's countries would have to wrestle with this on a regular basis.  They don't.

A life in solitary confinement is basically a life sentence in a prison within a prison.  That's a deterrent.
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« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2015, 10:37:39 AM »

I think it's time to get rid of the death penalty for the unborn.

I think you're referring to abortion, but since that isn't the death penalty for the unborn, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're smarter than that.
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« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2015, 11:55:03 PM »

So this makes the map:



Red = abolished
Blue = in use
Green = moratorium or not used
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« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2015, 07:43:49 AM »

Great decision. The handwringing over abortion is gross.
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« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2015, 10:31:57 AM »

So this makes the map:



Red = abolished
Blue = in use
Green = moratorium or not used

Now we just need to work on turning those green states red.
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