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« on: May 19, 2015, 10:18:46 AM »

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http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/state-politics/20150518-abbott-signs-law-to-restrict-local-fracking-regulations.ece

I thought Republicans were fans of local government? Huh
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2015, 10:20:30 AM »

Small government except for when we can use it to benefit big business!
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2015, 10:25:09 AM »

Republicans not giving a fyck about voters will?
I'm surprised. Not.
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2015, 10:27:52 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2015, 10:39:57 AM »

Taking away the people's rights to ensure they won't encroach on their own rights. Fancy.
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2015, 11:42:08 AM »

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FINALLY, the playing field between small communities and oil companies is level. Those hicks have had the advantage for far too long.
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2015, 04:58:06 PM »

Again, an infringement of towns' rights by states.
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2015, 06:38:29 PM »

Texas state government -- government by the rich, for the rich, and of the rich to the detriment of all else.
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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2015, 06:58:11 PM »

It has been argued that the GOP is dominant because they control so many states, but that ignores that Dems dominate at the city level, with the vast majority of big and medium city mayors and city councils.

So when the GOP talks about states' rights they don't mean local rights they mean STATES, and specifically not Federal and not City.
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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2015, 10:44:58 PM »


I thought Republicans were fans of local government? Huh

Republicans are fans of local government where it helps Republicans.
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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2015, 11:04:30 PM »

I have no problem with Fracking. But this part of the bill ticks me off:

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Earthquakes are good for business!

LOLOLOLOL

It's not as if Davis would be any better (in my opinion), but Abbott /=/ 5-star governor.

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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2015, 12:12:54 AM »

GOP:
Local control, states' rights, decentralization...
Oh they voted against what we wanted... Centralization, woo~!


As a supporter of localized government, I am on the side of the Denton voters. Let them ban it if they wish. I'd probably vote for the ban too.
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2015, 12:14:25 AM »

It's not as if Davis would be any better (in my opinion), but Abbott /=/ 5-star governor.

She wouldn't have signed this, so yes, she would be.
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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2015, 12:47:23 AM »

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hopefully this means he will stand up to the energy companies and support eminent domain reform.
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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2015, 12:48:58 AM »

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hopefully this means he will stand up to the energy companies and support eminent domain reform.
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« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2015, 09:15:23 AM »
« Edited: May 20, 2015, 03:48:23 PM by AggregateDemand »

Texas state government -- government by the rich, for the rich, and of the rich to the detriment of all else.

Texas land owners are not often wealthy. They inherited land, which is now part of thriving suburbia and the local governments are simultaneously attempting to tax away their land for developers and restrict their access to fracking income.

There is no right or wrong in this situation. The people who aren't benefiting from fracking are banning fracking which impairs the economic capability of those who benefit. In the end, the cities are going to sell out to the highest bidder and stiff the public anyway.
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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2015, 02:09:03 PM »

Texas state government -- government by the rich, for the rich, and of the rich to the detriment of all else.

Texas land owners are not often wealthy. They inherited land, which is now part of thriving suburbia and the local governments are simultaneously attempting to tax away their land for developers and restrict their access to fracking income.

There is no right or wrong in this situation. The people who aren't benefiting from fracking are banning fracking which impairs the economic capability of those who benefit. In the end, the cities are going to sell out to the highest bidder, and stiff the public anyway.
That's rather intellectually dishonest.
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« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2015, 03:49:28 PM »

That's rather intellectually dishonest.

I'm assuming this is coming from someone whose oil mineral rights are worth $0.
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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2015, 03:56:20 PM »

That's rather intellectually dishonest.

I'm assuming this is coming from someone whose oil mineral rights are worth $0.
Actually, no, but you're being intellectually dishonest in that the people on Denton aren't doing this because they are envious of those that own the land that fracking is occurring on, but because their town is being subjected to hundreds of earthquakes that are causing harm to those that aren't receiving any material benefit from said fracking. But thanks for playing.
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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2015, 04:15:56 PM »

Actually, no, but you're being intellectually dishonest in that the people on Denton aren't doing this because they are envious of those that own the land that fracking is occurring on, but because their town is being subjected to hundreds of earthquakes that are causing harm to those that aren't receiving any material benefit from said fracking. But thanks for playing.

I didn't say anything about envy nor did I imply envy. I said that the people without mineral rights are impairing the economic potential of the people who do have mineral rights. Denton is a perfect example because a fair chunk of the population (and anti-fracking signatures, I'm sure) is students who only live in Denton temporarily on a part-year basis. They definitely don't have mineral rights.
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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2015, 05:37:33 PM »

Actually, no, but you're being intellectually dishonest in that the people on Denton aren't doing this because they are envious of those that own the land that fracking is occurring on, but because their town is being subjected to hundreds of earthquakes that are causing harm to those that aren't receiving any material benefit from said fracking. But thanks for playing.

I didn't say anything about envy nor did I imply envy. I said that the people without mineral rights are impairing the economic potential of the people who do have mineral rights. Denton is a perfect example because a fair chunk of the population (and anti-fracking signatures, I'm sure) is students who only live in Denton temporarily on a part-year basis. They definitely don't have mineral rights.

UNT is a commuter school. Most of those people do live in Denton or nearby.
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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2015, 08:27:45 PM »

UNT is a commuter school. Most of those people do live in Denton or nearby.

School website says there are 6,000 students on campus.

They need enough signatures on the petition to exceed 25% of the participation in the last city-wide election. How many do you think that was? A few thousand?

If I were a petitioner, I'd camp out at UNT. My cousin goes to UNT, he said they were everywhere. This is just your basic astroturf vs. monied-special-interest. Everyone else is caught up in their inane shouting match.
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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2015, 02:11:36 PM »

It's not as if Davis would be any better (in my opinion), but Abbott /=/ 5-star governor.

She wouldn't have signed this, so yes, she would be.

True, but the GOP is two seats away from a supermajority and would easily have overridden a veto (on pretty much anything), so the difference is pretty moot. It boils down to rhetoric. Especially since the Texas governor can't appoint people for almost any state office, given that they're nearly all elected.
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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2015, 03:08:42 PM »

I thought Republicans were fans of local government? Huh

No, it's "states rights" they want, so presumably states have the right to crush the will of local officials and residents.
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