Criminal Justice (Reform) Act

[Talleyrand]

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Do we really need punishments of this duration in a game like this?

[Talleyrand]

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Do we really need punishments of this duration in a game like this?

We already have them. Snowstalker (for instance) is currently serving a life sentence.

Oh, I know.

I just think that it's generally not a good idea to impose life sentences in a game like this and we should consider reducing the maximum penalty. I think a maximum of two or three years should be fine.

[Talleyrand]

The other issue with acts of treason is that it's completely arbitrary as to whether they're real or not. We've had plenty of fake revolutions and insurrections over the years, but no one was tried for treason afaik until last year when Cranberry decided to make their actions real as SoIA. We need to tread carefully with things like that.

I think 2 years is generally a good maximum sentence for these things however.

[Talleyrand]

Well, I do concede that point, but 5 years is pretty much a lifetime sentence in a game like this, and I think it should be alright if we can cap it at that.

Again, I'm always wary of the whole treason thing. Obviously we cannot make it legal, but the issue arises that what constitutes treason is simply just how one or two people choose to interpret actions which the posters themselves consider jokes. Al has stated there's no way of incorporating this in the law, which might very well be the case, but I don't support lifetime sentences for every person who posts "omg rebellion" and makes a couple of joke posts about shooting people (which in essence is all that Snowstalker and whoever else was involved in our 'civil war' last year did). If every GM had treated those posts seriously, countless respected individuals in Atlasia would have gone on trial for treason.

Is there any way we can make a bill that defines what constitutes treason in terms of gameplay? It should be things that tangibly damage the game I think.

[Talleyrand]

For the rebellion clause, can we clarify that the individual in question must be in some position of power? It's one thing if a governor orders the national guard to take up arms against the feds, and a totally different thing if some person posts a joke thread about "muh rebellion".

I know I sound like a broken record on this, but I feel pretty strongly about it.

[Talleyrand]

AYE

[Talleyrand]

Yankee, could you just explain the amendment in one sentence? I'm frankly a bit lost here.

[Talleyrand]

Senators have 36 hours to object.

I still have no idea what the original amendment Yankee put forth and passed does, so I'm hesitant to build off of it until we determine what it actually is.

[Talleyrand]

Senators, a vote on this amendment is now open.

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This vote will last 72 hours, or until there is a majority to pass or fail this amendment.

[Talleyrand]

Nay

[Talleyrand]

I'll sponsor that amendment for Bore.

[Talleyrand]

Guys, there are 6 hours left to vote and only 3 of us have voted.

[Talleyrand]

AYE (4) - Lief, Cris, Yankee, TNF
NAY (1) - Talleyrand
VOTED AYE, BUT TOO LATE (2) - New Canadaland, Blair
Not Voting (3)- Polnut, Turkisblau, Hagrid

Yankee's amendment has passed.


Senators have 24 hours to object to the amendment I sponsored on Bore's behalf.

[Talleyrand]

Bore's amendment has been adopted.

[Talleyrand]

Senators have 24 hours to object to Yankee's amendment.

[Talleyrand]

I'll object to it then.

[Talleyrand]

Senators, a vote on this amendment is now open. It will last 72 hours or until a majority exists to pass/kill the amendment.


Nay

[Talleyrand]

The amendment has failed.


AYE (1) - Yankee
NAY (4) - Talleyrand, TNF, Blair, Lief
ABSTAIN (2) - New Canadaland, Cris
Not Voting (3) - Polnut, Hagrid, Turkisblau

[Talleyrand]

I object to the amendment.

A vote on the amendment is now open.

The vote will last 72 hours or until a majority exists to pass or fail the amendment.


NAY

[Talleyrand]

Yankee, just vote NAY on your uncorrected amendment and we can end the vote there because it'll have enough votes to fail.

[Talleyrand]

The amendment has failed.

NAY (5) - Yankee, Talleyrand, Polnut, New Canadaland, Blair
Not Voting (3) - Hagrid, Cris, Turkisblau

Senators have 24 hours to object to Yankee's amendment.

[Talleyrand]

The amendment has been adopted because the objection was 2 minutes late.

I'll introduce an amendment to remove Yankee's amendment. Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Talleyrand]

A vote is open on the amendment to undo Yankee's amendment.

Senators have 72 hours to vote or until a clear majority exists to kill or pass the amendment.

[Talleyrand]

Aye