Checkmate, True Leftists

[King]

http://www.clickhole.com/article/major-endorsement-fdrs-bones-have-appeared-hillary-2420

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[Lief 🗽]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

[Sumner 1868]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

IceSpear, why have you changed your avatar?

[Gallium]

That Clinton body count just keeps piling up. Who won't she kill or dig up to get ahead.

[Beet]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

The irony is, that's what TNF types really thought in the 1930s. I remember Barbara Streisand's character in The Way We Were finally softening her view on FDR was a plot point in that film.

[Mechaman]

FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

[NeverAgain]

Abe is going to be a hard get now.

[SWE]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

Well, yeah, that's pretty much historical fact

[Ebsy]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

Well, yeah, that's pretty much historical fact

Stop. Please.

[Zioneer]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

Democrats aren't racist, okay?

Politicians from both parties condemned him on that, actually. And others from both parties supported him.

[© tweed]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

The irony is, that's what TNF types really thought in the 1930s.

it all looks well and good now, but the 1930s saw mass labor organization, much of it by people with all sorts of socialist sympathies and memberships, and plenty of organizers loyal to Stalin.

"[Norman] Thomas said Roosevelt has not 'carried out most of the demands of the Socialist platform—unless he carried them out on a stretcher.'"

in other words, FDR was a center-left liberal, and prone to swings in his degree of 'activism':  1936-39 were probably the peak years of the 'left' in FDR's center-left.

[RINO Tom]

Abe is going to be a hard get now.

I have many issues with the modern GOP (look at my username and PM scores), especially its Southern wing, but can we stop with the "Abe is easily a Democrat today" attitude?  It literally wreaks.

[Sopranos Republican]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

Well, yeah, that's pretty much historical fact

Stop. Please.

Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen imo.

[Lief 🗽]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

Well, yeah, that's pretty much historical fact

Stop. Please.

Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen imo.

No, no. This is a thread about FDR, not Harry Truman... though it is easy to mix them up, as they are both neoliberal genocidal warmonger racists.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

Well, yeah, that's pretty much historical fact

Stop. Please.

Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen imo.

No, no. This is a thread about FDR, not Harry Truman... though it is easy to mix them up, as they are both neoliberal genocidal warmonger racists.

A neoliberal woudln't have created the CCC or vetoed Taft-Hartley.

[Lief 🗽]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

Well, yeah, that's pretty much historical fact

Stop. Please.

Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen imo.

No, no. This is a thread about FDR, not Harry Truman... though it is easy to mix them up, as they are both neoliberal genocidal warmonger racists.

A neoliberal woudln't have created the CCC or vetoed Taft-Hartley.

If he wasn't a neoliberal then how come he didn't abolish private property in its entirety?!

[WVdemocrat]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

Well, yeah, that's pretty much historical fact

Stop. Please.

Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen imo.

No, no. This is a thread about FDR, not Harry Truman... though it is easy to mix them up, as they are both neoliberal genocidal warmonger racists.

A neoliberal woudln't have created the CCC or vetoed Taft-Hartley.

If he wasn't a neoliberal then how come he didn't abolish private property in its entirety?!

Why, might I ask, is President Roosevelt a neoliberal genocidal warmonger racist?

I'll try:

1) Neoliberal - Obviously, this makes no sense.

2) Genocidal - Nothing comes to mind.

3) Warmonger - As I recall, Adolf Hitler began WW2, and FDR did not start any wars during his presidency.

4) Racist -

[Lief 🗽]

you'll have to ask my good true leftist friends to answer that question for you, DC.

[Skill and Chance]

Seriously, people? 1934-38 = most economically left a majority party has ever been in US history.  Lincoln might have beaten this had he lived and actually brought about "40 acres and a mule" in 1866, but no other time period since the Founding even comes close to the mid 1930's.

[Sumner 1868]

Seriously, people? 1934-38 = most economically left a majority party has ever been in US history.  Lincoln might have beaten this had he lived and actually brought about "40 acres and a mule" in 1866, but no other time period since the Founding even comes close to the mid 1930's.

FDR is the greatest ideological enemy they have because he took much of the socialist base.

[RINO Tom]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

Well, yeah, that's pretty much historical fact

Stop. Please.

Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen imo.

No, no. This is a thread about FDR, not Harry Truman... though it is easy to mix them up, as they are both neoliberal genocidal warmonger racists.

A neoliberal woudln't have created the CCC or vetoed Taft-Hartley.

If he wasn't a neoliberal then how come he didn't abolish private property in its entirety?!

Why, might I ask, is President Roosevelt a neoliberal genocidal warmonger racist?

I'll try:

1) Neoliberal - Obviously, this makes no sense.

2) Genocidal - Nothing comes to mind.

3) Warmonger - As I recall, Adolf Hitler began WW2, and FDR did not start any wars during his presidency.

4) Racist -

Number four is certainly not outrageous, given that he vetoed anti-lynching legislation, appointed a Klansman to the Supreme Court and ordered the internment of an entire ethnic group...  If someone with an R next to his name had done any of those three, he'd be demonized as one of the true monsters of American history, regardless of his economic "accomplishments."

[RINO Tom]

Seriously, people? 1934-38 = most economically left a majority party has ever been in US history.  Lincoln might have beaten this had he lived and actually brought about "40 acres and a mule" in 1866, but no other time period since the Founding even comes close to the mid 1930's.

It's a PRETTY big stretch to try to put politics into left vs. right (how we use the terms now) any time before the 1920s, IMO - Early 1900s at the earliest.  To say Lincoln was economically left makes no sense.  He enacted the first income tax, but it was an absolutely tiny tax, it was temporary and it ended up affecting the poor a lot more than the wealthy (and we all seem to completely ignore that it was a Democratic Congress in the late 1800s that enacted the first PERMANENT income tax, against Republican opposition).  He supported a high tariff, but we've discussed many times how that was a very pro-business policy that actually ended up screwing over many working class people (hence why Democrats supported free trade for a long time but now are more likely to be protectionists - they weren't supporting an ideology, they were supporting the interests of working people).  I think it's really irresponsible to look back at things like "free land for farmers!" (NO ONE OWNED THIS LAND!  LOL, this policy position was a very "keep the government out of your pockets!" type stance, helping out the small, free market loving, self-made entrepreneur, a darling figure of the GOP since its foundation) or "support for the continental railroad/infrastructure!" (big business was begging for more efficient railroads, and guess which party was ready to cater to their every demand for decades to come!) and say they're "progressive" or "liberal" things to do.

It's just silly to simplify those times' politics into liberal or conservative.  For example:

"It was 'socially liberal' to be an abolitionist because defenders of slavery were trying to CONSERVE the tradition of slavery, while 'liberals' were trying to change it!"

"No, it was 'socially conservative' to be an abolitionist, as the first abolitionists were from the most conservative Christian denominations such as the Quakers, and many defenders of slavery often used 'scientific' arguments that Blacks were inherently inferior and told abolitionists to start worrying about poor, disadvantaged White people instead of slaves; it has a lot of parallels to conservatives' opposition to abortion and liberals' defense of it."

Both of those statements are ridiculously simplistic.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Seriously, people? 1934-38 = most economically left a majority party has ever been in US history.  Lincoln might have beaten this had he lived and actually brought about "40 acres and a mule" in 1866, but no other time period since the Founding even comes close to the mid 1930's.

It's a PRETTY big stretch to try to put politics into left vs. right (how we use the terms now) any time before the 1920s, IMO - Early 1900s at the earliest.

It depends on the person. Thomas Paine was certainly left.

[Slander and/or Libel]

"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans