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« on: May 21, 2015, 10:09:35 AM »

Including per this poll, 37% of Pubs now, and apparently a majority of Pubs under 65 supporting SSM. A quarter of the voters now say they won't vote for a candidate who does not share their view on SSM. For those Pubs who have not got the memo yet, that SSM is toxic to them, and they need to get the issue off the table, this poll is yet another reminder. Presumably most Pub politicians are hoping that SCOTUS does the dirty little deed for them.
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2015, 10:32:22 AM »

Great news! Since only 25% of the electorate, likely all Democrats, say they won't vote for a candidate who opposes ssm, the GOP can safely continue with the marriage plank in their national platform.
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2015, 10:48:49 AM »

Including per this poll, 37% of Pubs now, and apparently a majority of Pubs under 65 supporting SSM. A quarter of the voters now say they won't vote for a candidate who does not share their view on SSM. For those Pubs who have not got the memo yet, that SSM is toxic to them, and they need to get the issue off the table, this poll is yet another reminder. Presumably most Pub politicians are hoping that SCOTUS does the dirty little deed for them.

Republicans mistakenly believe that SSM is an issue they can take a comfortable moderate hero position on. Public perception has changed significantly even over the last 4 years.

The problem, of course, is that many Republicans keep insulated company and have little exposure to American culture as a whole. They simply don't understand the mind of a voter who flips on the issue. Most people change their minds on this issue based on emotion. If you change your mind on gay marriage because your cousin is gay, or because a coworker is gay, a rollback of gay marriage rights immediately looks like an attack on those people you know personally by the government. (Because, you know, it is.)
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2015, 10:50:57 AM »

Why is it so important though? So long as they are not advocating reversing a court ruling, what harm does personal opposition do to proponents?

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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2015, 11:20:52 AM »

Including per this poll, 37% of Pubs now, and apparently a majority of Pubs under 65 supporting SSM. A quarter of the voters now say they won't vote for a candidate who does not share their view on SSM. For those Pubs who have not got the memo yet, that SSM is toxic to them, and they need to get the issue off the table, this poll is yet another reminder. Presumably most Pub politicians are hoping that SCOTUS does the dirty little deed for them.

Republicans mistakenly believe that SSM is an issue they can take a comfortable moderate hero position on. Public perception has changed significantly even over the last 4 years.

The problem, of course, is that many Republicans keep insulated company and have little exposure to American culture as a whole. They simply don't understand the mind of a voter who flips on the issue. Most people change their minds on this issue based on emotion. If you change your mind on gay marriage because your cousin is gay, or because a coworker is gay, a rollback of gay marriage rights immediately looks like an attack on those people you know personally by the government. (Because, you know, it is.)

Correct, and in addition to 25% saying the issue is a deal killer in and of itself, close to another 50% of the voters think it is a very important issue. So it is an issue that Pub politicians can no longer count on not hurting them much, even if their position is now a minority one, and a diminishing minority to boot, because voters on the other side will just hit the ignore button, and give them a pass. Those days are indeed rapidly coming to an end. As time goes by, the issue has more and more salience, not less.
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2015, 11:41:38 AM »

The GOP's attempts to moderate on the issue has basically been changing from being openly aggressive towards LGBT rights, to merely apathetic. It won't work. Instead of appearing as religious zealots, they look like out-of-touch robots.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2015, 11:41:59 AM »

Great news! Since only 25% of the electorate, likely all Democrats, say they won't vote for a candidate who opposes ssm, the GOP can safely continue with the marriage plank in their national platform.

You read that wrong. 25% said they won't vote for a candidate who doesn't share their view. And 2 to 1 of that answer was by people who oppose SSM.
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2015, 11:45:59 AM »


That is a question you need to ask yourself.
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2015, 11:50:34 AM »

Didn't it take until the 1990s for interracial marriage support to break 50%?
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2015, 01:16:21 PM »

I was wondering what Gallup would come up with. The support has continued to grow at a steady pace, consistent with the previous several years.

As far as those who insist that a candidate must share their views, it is basically a wash, given the distribution of this position among those supporting and opposing.
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2015, 02:03:01 PM »

What I find interesting is that the numbers are nearly perfectly inverted from what they were 10 years ago in 2005. It's moved from a ~60-40 issue one direction to a ~60-40 issue the other direction in a mere decade.
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2015, 02:09:32 PM »

What I find interesting is that the numbers are nearly perfectly inverted from what they were 10 years ago in 2005. It's moved from a ~60-40 issue one direction to a ~60-40 issue the other direction in a mere decade.

It would be interesting to find out what % of that was due to people changing their position on the topic and what % was a result of those opposed dying off.
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2015, 05:10:40 PM »

If Republicans were smart they'd revert this into a federalist or "I don't care" position over the next few years. Political parties almost always give up on an issue when it hits a certain point of unpopularity, but the religious right is a very powerful sector of the Republican Party, so I don't know.
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2015, 05:31:34 PM »

Didn't it take until the 1990s for interracial marriage support to break 50%?

Yea, it did not reach majority support until 1995.
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2015, 05:44:42 PM »

I believe conservatives are no longer answering pollsters, out of fear of retribution for supporting marriage
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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2015, 05:46:33 PM »

Didn't it take until the 1990s for interracial marriage support to break 50%?

Yea, it did not reach majority support until 1995.

Interracial marriage is a choice. Homosexuality is not.
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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2015, 05:47:43 PM »

Why is it so important though? So long as they are not advocating reversing a court ruling, what harm does personal opposition do to proponents?

Well, for people like myself who are immigrating to the US and in the process of getting a green card through marriage, having a friendly administration throughout the immigration process is welcome. A Republican administration can't reverse a Supreme Court ruling, but can make life more than difficult for married same-sex couples.
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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2015, 05:50:14 PM »

Why is it so important though? So long as they are not advocating reversing a court ruling, what harm does personal opposition do to proponents?

Well, for people like myself who are immigrating to the US and in the process of getting a green card through marriage, having a friendly administration throughout the immigration process is welcome. A Republican administration can't reverse a Supreme Court ruling, but can make life more than difficult for married same-sex couples.

The RINOs running never met an immigrant they don't want to move here. Just being honest. None of them are going to deny someone entry into the country because they are in a SSM
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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2015, 05:51:16 PM »

Didn't it take until the 1990s for interracial marriage support to break 50%?

Yea, it did not reach majority support until 1995.

Actually, not until 1997. But it's not exactly the same question... the interracial marriage question is whether they "approve or disapprove", whereas the SSM one is whether they should be legally "recognized as valid".
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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2015, 06:04:49 PM »

The majority of people can be wrong.
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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2015, 06:19:11 PM »


Congratulations, you've made a statement! A statement is often the first step in producing an argument, so you're on the way there!
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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2015, 06:30:01 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2015, 06:39:50 PM »

Great news! Since only 25% of the electorate, likely all Democrats, say they won't vote for a candidate who opposes ssm, the GOP can safely continue with the marriage plank in their national platform.

You read that wrong. 25% said they won't vote for a candidate who doesn't share their view. And 2 to 1 of that answer was by people who oppose SSM.


That's what I read. Meaning Republicans have more to lose by not supporting trad'l marriage
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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2015, 08:29:26 PM »

Just wait until SSM can be performed and recognized in all 50 states after June (I fully expect the Supreme Court to settle the issue). The graph of SSM support is going to look like an expedited version of interracial marriage. Conservatives will grumble about it for a time, probably gives LGBT relatives a hard time for a while, and the issue will just slowly go away.
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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2015, 09:09:29 PM »

Good, glad to see this.
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