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Landslide Lyndon
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« on: May 22, 2015, 02:38:56 PM »

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183386/social-ideology-left-catches-right.aspx

Thirty-one percent of Americans describe their views on social issues as generally liberal, matching the percentage who identify as social conservatives for the first time in Gallup records dating back to 1999.



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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2015, 02:55:22 PM »

Great news!
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2015, 02:56:18 PM »

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183386/social-ideology-left-catches-right.aspx

Thirty-one percent of Americans describe their views on social issues as generally liberal, matching the percentage who identify as social conservatives for the first time in Gallup records dating back to 1999.





You can gloat when Americans are economically liberal. Until then, we're moving towards a libertarian wonderland.
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2015, 03:36:11 PM »

And here I was hoping that this meant liberal and conservative overall and not just the fleeting social issues.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2015, 03:52:25 PM »

they need to stop grouping social issues in to one because there are many young Republicans that are pro-lifers and anti-trad'l marriage. Social issues are not  mutually exclusive anymore
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2015, 03:58:37 PM »

they need to stop grouping social issues in to one because there are many young Republicans that are pro-lifers and anti-trad'l marriage. Social issues are not  mutually exclusive anymore

And even some younger Democrats Wink
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2015, 03:59:43 PM »

You can gloat when Americans are economically liberal. Until then, we're moving towards a libertarian wonderland.

Maybe in ideology, but not in actual choice. Republican identity has been static. They're not going to nominate an out and out libertarian any time soon. Democrats won't consider it either, obviously. Rich libertarians like the Koch Brothers are too scared of splitting the vote to support a third party candidacy.



More likely, we're going to end up with elections where maybe a serious libertarian could win, but that person isn't on the ballot.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2015, 04:05:42 PM »

This is incredibly sad and evidence of our moral failings as a nation. A dark stain on the otherwise great era of Obama, but it's been coming for several years before we even knew the man's name.
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2015, 04:14:57 PM »

Young conservatives are overwhelmingly more socially liberal than their older counterparts, and that pendulum isn't swinging back any time soon.

However, as social issues become less effective for conservatives and economic issues and foreign policy issues become more prominent, that might wind up being very bad news for the left in the long run.
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2015, 04:15:25 PM »

This is incredibly sad and evidence of our moral failings as a nation. A dark stain on the otherwise great era of Obama, but it's been coming for several years before we even knew the man's name.

Never before have we had a generation that's been influenced solely by the Hollywood elite as well as an unashamed one-sided media. Combine that with the Republicans cowering in the corner, and it's a recipe for this poll.  
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2015, 04:18:26 PM »

This thread got really mopey really quickly.
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2015, 04:20:24 PM »

Young conservatives are overwhelmingly more socially liberal than their older counterparts, and that pendulum isn't swinging back any time soon.

However, as social issues become less effective for conservatives and economic issues and foreign policy issues become more prominent, that might wind up being very bad news for the left in the long run.

Yeah, because the Republicans have so much credibility on both after Iraq and the 2008 financial crisis.
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2015, 04:22:53 PM »

Young conservatives are overwhelmingly more socially liberal than their older counterparts, and that pendulum isn't swinging back any time soon.

However, as social issues become less effective for conservatives and economic issues and foreign policy issues become more prominent, that might wind up being very bad news for the left in the long run.

Yeah, because the Republicans have so much credibility on both after Iraq and the 2008 financial crisis.

Good luck getting the young left to get those points across when they're too busy waxing rhapsodic about the French Revolution.

As young conservatives move towards the center on social issues, the young left moves more towards the fringe on the other issues.
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2015, 04:26:35 PM »

Young conservatives are overwhelmingly more socially liberal than their older counterparts, and that pendulum isn't swinging back any time soon.

However, as social issues become less effective for conservatives and economic issues and foreign policy issues become more prominent, that might wind up being very bad news for the left in the long run.

Yeah, because the Republicans have so much credibility on both after Iraq and the 2008 financial crisis.

Good luck getting the young left to get those points across when they're too busy waxing rhapsodic about the French Revolution.

As young conservatives move towards the center on social issues, the young left moves more towards the fringe on the other issues.

Probably because the Democrats neoliberalism has hit a peak.
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2015, 04:27:59 PM »

This thread got really mopey really quickly.
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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2015, 04:35:08 PM »

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 I agree with this actually. But from what I have looked at, 18-29ers are actually more pro-life than the preceding Generation X'ers.  I see so many college students at the Walk for Life in San Francisco. A lot of racial minorities too.

On pot and gay marriage though, different story.  That's why I think Gallup should separate the issues
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2015, 06:32:06 PM »

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 I agree with this actually. But from what I have looked at, 18-29ers are actually more pro-life than the preceding Generation X'ers.  I see so many college students at the Walk for Life in San Francisco. A lot of racial minorities too.

I hear this alot, but everytime it gets brought up, it gets proven to be incorrect, and if it is correct, it's usually something like 1 or 2% more pro-life.
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2015, 06:53:05 PM »

they need to stop grouping social issues in to one because there are many young Republicans that are pro-lifers and anti-trad'l marriage. Social issues are not  mutually exclusive anymore

And even some younger Democrats Wink

Pro life too? Interesting. Encouraging
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2015, 06:55:05 PM »

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 I agree with this actually. But from what I have looked at, 18-29ers are actually more pro-life than the preceding Generation X'ers.  I see so many college students at the Walk for Life in San Francisco. A lot of racial minorities too.

I hear this alot, but everytime it gets brought up, it gets proven to be incorrect, and if it is correct, it's usually something like 1 or 2% more pro-life.

Still progress. I haven't seen enough data but certainly in terms of activism I see more young pro lifers at the Walk, as well as social media. I think the number of pro-lifers has gone up since the 1990s.
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2015, 08:10:31 PM »

Great to see America progressing forward!
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2015, 08:11:24 PM »

Great to see America progressing forward!
When should we declare victory in the culture wars?
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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2015, 08:42:10 PM »

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 I agree with this actually. But from what I have looked at, 18-29ers are actually more pro-life than the preceding Generation X'ers.  I see so many college students at the Walk for Life in San Francisco. A lot of racial minorities too.

I hear this alot, but everytime it gets brought up, it gets proven to be incorrect, and if it is correct, it's usually something like 1 or 2% more pro-life.

Still progress. I haven't seen enough data but certainly in terms of activism I see more young pro lifers at the Walk, as well as social media. I think the number of pro-lifers has gone up since the 1990s.

If it's true, it's regression. You're also more likely to see more young pro lifers because most activists in general tend to be young. The number of pro-lifers has more or less remained the same. Abortion is almost always a 50-50 split no matter what generation you're from, and likely will continue to be for decades more.
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« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2015, 02:23:04 PM »

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 I agree with this actually. But from what I have looked at, 18-29ers are actually more pro-life than the preceding Generation X'ers.  I see so many college students at the Walk for Life in San Francisco. A lot of racial minorities too.

I hear this alot, but everytime it gets brought up, it gets proven to be incorrect, and if it is correct, it's usually something like 1 or 2% more pro-life.

Still progress. I haven't seen enough data but certainly in terms of activism I see more young pro lifers at the Walk, as well as social media. I think the number of pro-lifers has gone up since the 1990s.

It was but Americans are now majority Pro-Choice again.

Americans Choose Pro-Choice For the First Time in 7 Years
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2015, 05:59:40 AM »

This is incredibly sad and evidence of our moral failings as a nation. A dark stain on the otherwise great era of Obama, but it's been coming for several years before we even knew the man's name.

Never before have we had a generation that's been influenced solely by the Hollywood elite internet
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