United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership

[Leftbehind]

Can only imagine the 'revised deal' the Tories would offer up - here's your deeply unsatisfactory EU sans any labour rights! Nah, f**k 'em.

[ChrisDR68]

A Europeon superstate is geopolitically our best option.

Can you explain why?

Interesting article in the Independent about France's long term EU obsession (which also happens to be about this very subject):

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greece-debt-crisis-live-franois-hollande-calls-for-a-eurozone-government-to-further-integrate-member-states--but-what-will-this-mean-for-britain-10400269.html   

[SNJ1985]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-nigel-farage-to-announce-plans-to-head-campaign-for-british-exit-10425255.html

According to a recent poll by ORB, 55% of Britons support staying in the EU and 45% support leaving the EU. 71% of 18 to 24-year-olds in Britain support staying in the EU, while 53% of those aged 65 and over support leaving the EU.

[Cassius]

I'd just like to say (given that others have given their views on this), that I can't imagine how a United Europe will be able to function even semi-efficiently. At this present point, the Union is riven with division and backbiting; in an actual superstate, where far greater sacrifices would have to be made upon the part of individual nations in order to achieve some kind of workable state, I can only imagine that the backlash to that would make the current divisions between governments and the rise of anti-EU parties look like storm in a teacup. Thus casting doubt upon the ability of a united Europe to, in anyway, act as a serious or coherent player on the world stage.

[Silent Hunter]

FWIW, Corbyn has now said he'd back a Yes vote.

[SNJ1985]

Farage urges London mayor Boris Johnson to join the Out campaign.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-ukip-leader-nigel-farage-urges-boris-johnson-join-brexit-campaign-1513396

[SNJ1985]

Commonwealth citizens could swing the EU referendum.

[Clyde1998]

Commonwealth citizens could swing the EU referendum.

I think it's likely that Commonwealth citizens are more likely to vote yes than no - at this early stage.

[Frodo]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-nigel-farage-to-announce-plans-to-head-campaign-for-british-exit-10425255.html

According to a recent poll by ORB, 55% of Britons support staying in the EU and 45% support leaving the EU. 71% of 18 to 24-year-olds in Britain support staying in the EU, while 53% of those aged 65 and over support leaving the EU.

Interesting generational difference -I wonder why younger people in the UK are more supportive of the EU than their elders.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Its more an understanding that the alternative would be bad for them (us!) than support for the institution.

[Hnv1]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-nigel-farage-to-announce-plans-to-head-campaign-for-british-exit-10425255.html

According to a recent poll by ORB, 55% of Britons support staying in the EU and 45% support leaving the EU. 71% of 18 to 24-year-olds in Britain support staying in the EU, while 53% of those aged 65 and over support leaving the EU.

Interesting generational difference -I wonder why younger people in the UK are more supportive of the EU than their elders.

They understand their economic future depends on UK stay within a prosperous EU and that if the UK wants to remain a major global player it needs join hands with the rest of EU powers?

[The Last Northerner]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-nigel-farage-to-announce-plans-to-head-campaign-for-british-exit-10425255.html

According to a recent poll by ORB, 55% of Britons support staying in the EU and 45% support leaving the EU. 71% of 18 to 24-year-olds in Britain support staying in the EU, while 53% of those aged 65 and over support leaving the EU.

Interesting generational difference -I wonder why younger people in the UK are more supportive of the EU than their elders.

The stereotypical Europhile is highly educated, rich, urban, and socially liberal while the stereotypical Eurosceptic is the opposite - less educated, more likely to be working class, less likely to be live in the urban core, and more socially conservative. Young people are likely to fit in (or aspire to be)  the former as the most pro-European parties (Green & Lib Dems) do well with university students.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Most young people are very far from being rich or believing that they have any chance of being so.

[Silent Hunter]

Most young people are very far from being rich or believing that they have any chance of being so.

Unless they're auditionees for a Simon Cowell talent show that is.

[The Last Northerner]

Most young people are very far from being rich or believing that they have any chance of being so.

I forgot to put the 'more' in. They are more likely to in the former category than the latter.

[StateBoiler]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-nigel-farage-to-announce-plans-to-head-campaign-for-british-exit-10425255.html

According to a recent poll by ORB, 55% of Britons support staying in the EU and 45% support leaving the EU. 71% of 18 to 24-year-olds in Britain support staying in the EU, while 53% of those aged 65 and over support leaving the EU.

Interesting generational difference -I wonder why younger people in the UK are more supportive of the EU than their elders.

The stereotypical Europhile is highly educated, rich, urban, and socially liberal while the stereotypical Eurosceptic is the opposite - less educated, more likely to be working class, less likely to be live in the urban core, and more socially conservative. Young people are likely to fit in (or aspire to be)  the former as the most pro-European parties (Green & Lib Dems) do well with university students.

Your post sums up what I think is the most important political divide in the UK at the moment. It's not left vs. right, it's Greater London vs. The Rest of the UK.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I suppose if you mostly know about British politics via internet troglodytes that might seem to be so, but otherwise...

[MaxQue]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-nigel-farage-to-announce-plans-to-head-campaign-for-british-exit-10425255.html

According to a recent poll by ORB, 55% of Britons support staying in the EU and 45% support leaving the EU. 71% of 18 to 24-year-olds in Britain support staying in the EU, while 53% of those aged 65 and over support leaving the EU.

Interesting generational difference -I wonder why younger people in the UK are more supportive of the EU than their elders.

The stereotypical Europhile is highly educated, rich, urban, and socially liberal while the stereotypical Eurosceptic is the opposite - less educated, more likely to be working class, less likely to be live in the urban core, and more socially conservative. Young people are likely to fit in (or aspire to be)  the former as the most pro-European parties (Green & Lib Dems) do well with university students.

Your post sums up what I think is the most important political divide in the UK at the moment. It's not left vs. right, it's Greater London vs. The Rest of the UK.

Ah, Manchester, Liverpool, Knowsley, Birmingham and the Welsh Valleys, those remote parts of the Greater London.

[StateBoiler]

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Yes, there's absolutely no difference between the political views of the London-based Labour voter and the outside of London-based Labour voter. The current civil war in the party on what it stands for demonstrates that...

Recent article on the subject put it pretty well in the aftermath of what has happened to Greece and the tepidness on it from leadership: "Labour's support for Europe is a mile wide and an inch deep." Corbyn can stand for whatever he wants if he's leader, doesn't mean that's how Labour voters would vote in a referendum.

[Joe Republic]

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Yeah, that's just Sibboleth.  He's a random newbie who knows nothing about British politics or the inner workings of the Labour Party.

[StateBoiler]

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Yeah, that's just Sibboleth.  He's a random newbie who knows nothing about British politics or the inner workings of the Labour Party.

Why is he any more an expert on these affairs than the people I normally read who are from a broad range of the political spectrum in the UK and have far more discussion on these issues because it's a British-based forum in comparison to the comparative echo chamber that is uselectionatlas.org?

I could go back and look at the general election thread earlier this year. If Sibboleth called the election result right beforehand, he could rightly be considered an expert.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Hmm... well... let's just check something. Wait a second...

Here's a map of declared nominations from local parties:



Quite a lot of Corbyn nominations in all regions, I note.

[Serenity Now]

Quite a lot of Corbyn nominations in all regions, I note.

Not to mention where the majority of Kendall nominations are.

[SNJ1985]

A recent Survation poll.

[SNJ1985]

The wording of the referendum has been changed. Instead of choosing between ''Yes'' and ''No'', voters will now choose between ''Remain a member of the European Union'' and ''Leave the European Union''.

http://news.sky.com/story/1544874/cameron-agrees-eu-referendum-word-change