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« Reply #425 on: June 16, 2016, 07:58:05 AM »

They've literally gone and changed methodology between polls. ffs.

Back to herding again, I see...

Yes. If there's a scent of a move back towards Remain in the last week they will all herd at 50-50 and declare themselves 'accurate' no matter the result.
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« Reply #426 on: June 16, 2016, 09:05:57 AM »

Survation Poll shows basically a tie

There's a lot of data to parse through with this one. For some reason, the top line number they went with was Remain 42, Leave 45. If you dig down in the report they press undecideds (who are breaking for Remain to the tune of 2:1) about their final intentions and then factor that back into the initial responses.

The result?: 49.2 Remain, 50.8 Leave.  (a difference of 8 respondents).

Two interesting things I noticed:

- Immigration and the economy are basically tied as the most important issues
- The figures for younger voters are somewhat out of line from all other surveys, in that they show much higher support for Leave.

Ipsos-MORI: Remain 47, Leave 53. Previous poll had Remain 57-43 ahead. Don't know what the figures are including undecideds though.

They didn't include them in the data set, sadly. Impossible to know.
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« Reply #427 on: June 16, 2016, 09:45:30 AM »

Read that the remain camp suspended its campaign after a MP was shot by a far-right sympathizer. Sad story.
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« Reply #428 on: June 16, 2016, 09:45:59 AM »

Campaigns suspended following the attempted (let us hope this remains the correct prefix) murder of Batley & Spen MP Jo Cox in what currently sounds like an act of far right political violence.
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« Reply #429 on: June 16, 2016, 09:52:05 AM »

Campaigns suspended following the attempted (let us hope this remains the correct prefix) murder of Batley & Spen MP Jo Cox in what currently sounds like an act of far right political violence.

In what's currently a period of increasingly hostile rhetoric.
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« Reply #430 on: June 16, 2016, 11:17:13 AM »

Campaigns suspended following the attempted (let us hope this remains the correct prefix) murder of Batley & Spen MP Jo Cox in what currently sounds like an act of far right political violence.

It does not remain the correct prefix.

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« Reply #431 on: June 16, 2016, 11:47:35 AM »

Im right but damn, this is sick.. Why would anyone from the Far Right do this, its just gonna hurt the Leave campaign?

This vote is important but not enough to kill for ..
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« Reply #432 on: June 16, 2016, 11:50:32 AM »

Im right but damn, this is sick.. Why would anyone from the Far Right do this, its just gonna hurt the Leave campaign?

This vote is important but not enough to kill for ..

cos britain furst u wog!!

sickening
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« Reply #433 on: June 16, 2016, 11:54:57 AM »

I would say it's also a bit sick to discuss the implications of this at this time.
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« Reply #434 on: June 16, 2016, 11:58:04 AM »

I would say it's also a bit sick to discuss the implications of this at this time.
Why? One can simultaneously be disgusted by this terrible attack and think of its potential political consequences. I think this will hurt the "out" side.
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« Reply #435 on: June 16, 2016, 12:02:50 PM »

I would say it's also a bit sick to discuss the implications of this at this time.
Why? One can simultaneously be disgusted by this terrible attack and think of its potential political consequences. I think this will hurt the "out" side.

Outside this forum I wouldn't have to even answer that question...
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« Reply #436 on: June 16, 2016, 12:06:42 PM »

I would say it's also a bit sick to discuss the implications of this at this time.
Why? One can simultaneously be disgusted by this terrible attack and think of its potential political consequences. I think this will hurt the "out" side.
Outside this forum I wouldn't have to even answer that question...
It's just a bit hypocritical for people to pretend as if they don't think of the political consequences of this attack, because everybody does. But if that's what you prefer, then fine, I guess Smiley
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« Reply #437 on: June 16, 2016, 12:11:35 PM »

I would say it's also a bit sick to discuss the implications of this at this time.
This is a political procedure forum, this is exactly the place we discuss everything.

Britain First message is ridiculous  
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« Reply #438 on: June 16, 2016, 12:11:53 PM »
« Edited: June 16, 2016, 12:18:11 PM by Phony Moderate »

I would say it's also a bit sick to discuss the implications of this at this time.
Why? One can simultaneously be disgusted by this terrible attack and think of its potential political consequences. I think this will hurt the "out" side.
Outside this forum I wouldn't have to even answer that question...
It's just a bit hypocritical for people to pretend as if they don't think of the political consequences of this attack, because everybody does. But if that's what you prefer, then fine, I guess Smiley

Well yes indeed, but lines have to be drawn occasionally. I mean it's long been a rule on here that we don't start a by-election discussion within a few hours of an MP's death.
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« Reply #439 on: June 16, 2016, 12:13:02 PM »

Dude I just said that the person who did it has nothing in his head, apart from being a psychopath and being able to kill for a political cause, which is sick on its own, he actually has not helped anyone from the Right Wing, he just made them look worse while destroying a innocent family because of his sick motivation.

Im curious what made him think killing someone would help any cause.
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« Reply #440 on: June 16, 2016, 12:24:07 PM »

I mean it's long been a rule on here that we don't start a by-election discussion within a few hours of an MP's death.
This referendum is not a by-election.
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« Reply #441 on: June 16, 2016, 12:27:36 PM »

ok thanks
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« Reply #442 on: June 16, 2016, 01:39:25 PM »
« Edited: June 16, 2016, 01:47:14 PM by joevsimp »

Im right but damn, this is sick.. Why would anyone from the Far Right do this, its just gonna hurt the Leave campaign?

This vote is important but not enough to kill for ..


He's done the media a favour, do you remember them speculating on Al-Qaeda links to the Oslo/Utøya attack and then that Breivik must have been a muslim convert?

this is the first murder of a sitting MP since 1990: three Tory MPs (plus the other victims of the Brighton hotel bombing) and two Ulster Unionists were killed during the troubles,  other than ones killed during the world wars I can't think of any other than Spencer Percival
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« Reply #443 on: June 16, 2016, 01:41:39 PM »

Dude I just said that the person who did it has nothing in his head, apart from being a psychopath and being able to kill for a political cause, which is sick on its own, he actually has not helped anyone from the Right Wing, he just made them look worse while destroying a innocent family because of his sick motivation.

Im curious what made him think killing someone would help any cause.
I guess you can say that of any terrorist.
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« Reply #444 on: June 16, 2016, 01:59:30 PM »

When was the last assisinated sittingmember of parliament in Europe?
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« Reply #445 on: June 16, 2016, 02:10:30 PM »

When was the last assisinated sittingmember of parliament in Europe?

Ian Gow in 1990 I think, at least in the UK.
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« Reply #446 on: June 16, 2016, 02:29:20 PM »

When was the last assisinated sittingmember of parliament in Europe?

Ian Gow in 1990 I think, at least in the UK.

Anna Lindh, a Swdish Social Democrat was killed a few days before the referendum on joining the Euro in 2003
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« Reply #447 on: June 16, 2016, 03:27:42 PM »

Awful and shocking news.

How soon will the police release a statement about what motivated this monster once they've interviewed him?
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« Reply #448 on: June 16, 2016, 06:03:18 PM »

Gow was the last sitting MP in Britain to be murdered (he was killed by the IRA in 1990). But two MPs have had narrow escapes; Nigel Jones (LDem, Cheltenham; now a Peer) was nearly killed by a severely mentally ill man with a personal grudge in 2000 (his constituency assistant died saving him) and Stephen Timms (still the Labour MP for East Ham) was stabbed by an extreme Islamist in 2010. Both of those attacks, like this one, happened when the MPs were holding constituency surgeries.
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« Reply #449 on: June 16, 2016, 06:23:31 PM »

Horrible sh**t, they seem to pile up nastily these days...

Regardless of the potential effects of this act, I still say Remain will somewhat comfortably win, à la Scottish independence referendum. People just aren't that adventurous to begin with.

I would rather enjoy a Leave victory however. Being a French CGT member, wreaking havoc has kind of been my thing lately...
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