United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Where is Oldiesfreak? He said Remain would win


ayyyyy lmao

Don't count your chickens before they hatch...

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I wouldn't call it just yet - substantial sections of East London are still out, as are Bristol, Cornwall, and traditional Tory areas that are a little more sceptical of leaving - furthermore, I think most of Leave's best areas have now come in. Still, a knife edge.

Still a fair bit of Essex/Kent to come, and a certain East London borough bound to vote Leave has yet to report.

I do agree though, neither side should count their chickens before they hatch.

And yet people are still doing that on Atlas forum. What a shock.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

My rationale for thinking MPs might not vote to leave the EU is predicated on two main factors.
1) The Tories being as disunited as they are seem unlikely to all vote for leaving.
2) A solid majority of opposition MPs might not support leaving, not wanting to open Pandora's box,and being more able to reject the referendum than the Tories, since they little role in the referendum.
These two factors taken together could result in a Commons vote initiating EU withdrawal to fail.
I could be wrong.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Some Leave politicians suggesting the Article 50 not be invoked for a while... omg was this all a scam?

Hopefully

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

My rationale for thinking MPs might not vote to leave the EU is predicated on two main factors.
1) The Tories being as disunited as they are seem unlikely to all vote for leaving.
2) A solid majority of opposition MPs might not support leaving, not wanting to open Pandora's box,and being more able to reject the referendum than the Tories, since they little role in the referendum.
These two factors taken together could result in a Commons vote initiating EU withdrawal to fail.
I could be wrong.

Really can't see how they can have a referendum billed as the most important vote in a generation and then go "whatever...we'll just stay in."

It wasn't binding. Also the opposition, especially Labour, was little involved. Safeguards need to be present from stopping someone like David Cameron from ruining the economy in this fashion, with his utter incompetence. This was a vote of humongous importance.
However it appears that scenario is not coming to pass.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

My rationale for thinking MPs might not vote to leave the EU is predicated on two main factors.
1) The Tories being as disunited as they are seem unlikely to all vote for leaving.
2) A solid majority of opposition MPs might not support leaving, not wanting to open Pandora's box,and being more able to reject the referendum than the Tories, since they little role in the referendum.
These two factors taken together could result in a Commons vote initiating EU withdrawal to fail.
I could be wrong.

Really can't see how they can have a referendum billed as the most important vote in a generation and then go "whatever...we'll just stay in."

It wasn't binding. Also the opposition, especially Labour, was little involved. Safeguards need to be present from stopping someone like David Cameron from ruining the economy in this fashion, with his utter incompetence. This was a vote of humongous importance.
However it appears that scenario is not coming to pass.

Point is that there would be a huge outcry if parliament now turned around and disregarded the verdict, regardless of whether it was binding or not.

Perhaps. But it might not amount to much in the long run,which usually matters much more than short.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Seems like, Cameron is doing the proper thing and resigning. Hopefully also from the Commons.

Yep. He was doomed the moment Leave was declared as winner.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Cameron choosing to resign right now is irresponsible.  The country is in chaos!

The country voted itself into chaos. It is the voter choice. Not letting the country to fall into chaos would be a violation of basic democratic principles. The country will get what it chose.

Also, Cameron's incompetence during the referendum doomed any chance of him staying on afterwards. He has no moral authority.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Cameron choosing to resign right now is irresponsible.  The country is in chaos!

The country voted itself into chaos. It is the voter choice. Not letting the country to fall into chaos would be a violation of basic democratic principles. The country will get what it chose.

Also, Cameron's incompetence during the referendum doomed any chance of him staying on afterwards. He has no moral authority.

He called this referendum. He has to go.

Yes. Full agreement with you here ag.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Quasi-Hot take: leave has little to no true mandate at this point and the Commons could do nothing wrong by ignoring the referendum.
Problem is, everyone has been acting as it has and so soon the effect will be that Leave has had a mandate all along.