Scott Walker: Mandatory Ultrasounds are "Just a Cool Thing" for Women

[Landslide Lyndon]

Apparently still not ready for prime-time.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scott-walker-abortion-ultrasounds-cool


Potential 2016 Republican presidential candidate and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) said in an interview on Friday that mandatory ultrasounds for women hoping to get an abortion was "just a cool thing."

During the interview with conservative radio host Dana Loesch, Walker defended a bill he’d signed in 2013 that required women get the ultrasounds.

“The thing about that, the media tried to make that sound like that was a crazy idea,” Walker said. “Most people I talk to, whether they’re pro-life or not, I find people all the time who’ll get out their iPhone and show me a picture of their grandkids’ ultrasound and how excited they are, so that’s a lovely thing. I think about my sons who are 19 and 20, and we still have their first ultrasounds. It’s just a cool thing out there.”

[bedstuy]

Are we going to start calling back-alley abortions "artisanal, organic abortions" now?

[King]

So, in the past two weeks, months before the clown car debates, the top 4 polling choices for the GOP nomination have volunteered that the Iraq War was good, pedophiles are godly, and a forced ultrasound is cool.

Clearly Hillary isn't inevitable.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Every pro-life candidate should own up to being pro-life.  Many voters, myself included, believe that without the right to life, we really don't have any rights.

[King]

Every pro-life candidate should own up to being pro-life.  Many voters, myself included, believe that without the right to life, we really don't have any rights.

The problem with a "right to life" is that it's impossible to enforce. Anyone can murder you at any moment. Anybody can perform an illegal abortion. Sure, we could prosecute them after the fact, but it doesn't bring you back to life. There is no way to protect your right to life through the law. We can only condemn those who take it away from you.

When you get your first amendment right infringed, you have your day in court and eventually to get that right to speak or practice or whatever. Or right to equality. It's all fixable if infringed.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Every pro-life candidate should own up to being pro-life.  Many voters, myself included, believe that without the right to life, we really don't have any rights.

The problem with a "right to life" is that it's impossible to enforce. Anyone can murder you at any moment. Anybody can perform an illegal abortion. Sure, we could prosecute them after the fact, but it doesn't bring you back to life. There is no way to protect your right to life through the law. We can only condemn those who take it away from you.

When you get your first amendment right infringed, you have your day in court and eventually to get that right to speak or practice or whatever. Or right to equality. It's all fixable if infringed.

I believe strongly that abortion is murder, so are you saying that murder should be legal since it cannot be stopped completely by having it be illegal?  The fact is that people will always commit crimes, but many, many lives will be saved by having it illegal to kill someone.

[Lief 🗽]

Looks like the Republican Party is opening up a new front in the War on Women. Terrific news!

[Pandaguineapig]

Looks like the Republican Party is opening up a new front in the War on Women. Terrific news!

That meme cost you guys the senate last year, so go for it!

[publicunofficial]

Looks like the Republican Party is opening up a new front in the War on Women. Terrific news!

That meme cost you guys the senate last year, so go for it!

Worked pretty well in 2012 though. When the good voters turn out, instead of pasty curmudgeons, it works wonders.

[King]

I believe strongly that abortion is murder, so are you saying that murder should be legal since it cannot be stopped completely by having it be illegal?  The fact is that people will always commit crimes, but many, many lives will be saved by having it illegal to kill someone.

If you are anti-abortion, you should be pro-choice. Pro-life is well meaning but a strictly pro-abortion position.

Nothing increases abortions more than limiting the time frame for a woman to consider it. The earlier a woman has to make the decision, the less emotional attachment she will feel in the pregnancy.
Nothing increases abortions more than banning morning-after contraception. More unwanted conceptions only causes more abortions.
Nothing increases abortions more than removing the medical profession from the system. Only money hungry charlatans will be around to "consult" women on the issue, who will deliver terrible advice.
Nothing increases abortions more than a societal pressure that there is no options.

There were more abortions per 100,000 conceptions in the years before Roe v. Wade than there are today. It's a simple fact that nothing has done more to reduce to the number of aborted and abandoned fetuses in this country than the legalization of abortion.

[publicunofficial]

Looks like the Republican Party is opening up a new front in the War on Women. Terrific news!

That meme cost you guys the senate last year, so go for it!

Worked pretty well in 2012 though. When the good voters turn out, instead of pasty curmudgeons, it works wonders.

Right, which is why Democrats won in 2004, which was one of the highest turnouts in decades, but Republicans won in 2006 which had many less voters.

You're not too sharp, are you?

Times have changed more between 2004 - 2008 than 2012 - 2016. 2004 was in the Dark Ages when a majority still disapproved of most socially liberal positions.

Also, I'm 90% just bored and baiting Republican posters.

[Lief 🗽]

Looks like the Republican Party is opening up a new front in the War on Women. Terrific news!

That meme cost you guys the senate last year, so go for it!

...because Cory Gardner was a disciplined politician who hid his anti-women views, instead of making idiotic and inflammatory statements about how fun and cool mandatory ultrasounds are.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Let's be honest...this is about women who want an abortion not liking the guilt trip.  They're about to have a fetus scrambled and vacuumed out of their uterus ffs.

That Scott Walker jokes about it should be unsurprising.  There is nothing pretty about any of it.  Walker least of all.

But you have to look at it from the anti-abortion perspective.  If you believe it is murder of the innocent, then a ten inch probe that takes a picture of the fetus is a low price to pay.

The anti-abortionists only think of the fetus.  The pro-abortionists only think of the woman.

Personally, I am pro-choice.  I hope you choose not to have an abortion simply because of the harm it can do to the woman, let alone the fetus.  Adoption is far better imo as the child of an adopted mother and who knows someone very close that gave up a baby for adoption.  Birth control, condoms, other contraceptives...

[King]

Looks like the Republican Party is opening up a new front in the War on Women. Terrific news!

That meme cost you guys the senate last year, so go for it!

Worked pretty well in 2012 though. When the good voters turn out, instead of pasty curmudgeons, it works wonders.

Right, which is why Democrats won in 2004, which was one of the highest turnouts in decades, but Republicans won in 2006 which had many less voters.

You're not too sharp, are you?

Bush's 62 mil votes in 2004 would've lost to Obama both times. It's not enough.

Granted, abortion is still a divided issue, but more so because the pro-choice side has done a terrible job of explaining how they are the anti-abortion position. This was not a problem in decades past as people lived through pre-abortion era and knew pro-choice was the way to go, but impressionable youth in this country foolishly believe being pro-life saves lives.

[Pandaguineapig]

Looks like the Republican Party is opening up a new front in the War on Women. Terrific news!

That meme cost you guys the senate last year, so go for it!

...because Cory Gardner was a disciplined politician who hid his anti-women views, instead of making idiotic and inflammatory statements about how fun and cool mandatory ultrasounds are.

But,but, he was exposed for his radical anti-condom agenda!

[Lief 🗽]

Looks like the Republican Party is opening up a new front in the War on Women. Terrific news!

That meme cost you guys the senate last year, so go for it!

...because Cory Gardner was a disciplined politician who hid his anti-women views, instead of making idiotic and inflammatory statements about how fun and cool mandatory ultrasounds are.

But,but, he was exposed for his radical anti-condom agenda!

No, he wasn't, that's the point. Walker, with comments like this, is exposing his radical agenda. This is not that complicated.

[Pandaguineapig]

Looks like the Republican Party is opening up a new front in the War on Women. Terrific news!

That meme cost you guys the senate last year, so go for it!

...because Cory Gardner was a disciplined politician who hid his anti-women views, instead of making idiotic and inflammatory statements about how fun and cool mandatory ultrasounds are.

But,but, he was exposed for his radical anti-condom agenda!

No, he wasn't, that's the point. Walker, with comments like this, is exposing his radical agenda. This is not that complicated.

Look, im pro-choice as a matter of policy but it doesn't make sense for someone who represents the opinions of roughly half of voters as a radical and expect that by calling them a misogynist ad-nauseum you can win elections

[Landslide Lyndon]

Udall lost because Obama listened to the idiotic advice of Pryor and Hagan and chose not to act on immigration before the midterm elections.

[Pandaguineapig]

Udall lost because Obama listened to the idiotic advice of Pryor and Hagan and chose not to act on immigration before the midterm elections.

No, he lost because Colorado hates women

[Ebsy]

Udall lost because Obama listened to the idiotic advice of Pryor and Hagan and chose not to act on immigration before the midterm elections.

It is true that his attempt to characterize Cory Gardner as way too socially conservative, especially on women's issues, failed to take hold mostly due to Gardner's adept 180 degree changes on his views and positions during the campaign. Also, the Denver Post endorsement basically sealed Udall's fate, even though it was probably the most idiotic endorsement I have ever read.

[MT Treasurer]

Udall lost because Obama listened to the idiotic advice of Pryor and Hagan and chose not to act on immigration before the midterm elections.

Um, no. Immigration had nothing to do with it (if anything, bringing up that issue would have only hurt him more). Udall would have won had he not run a one-issue campaign. Cardner defeated an incumbent who was a great fit for the state by less than 2 points in a liberal swing state in a big GOP year, so..

[Lief 🗽]

Looks like the Republican Party is opening up a new front in the War on Women. Terrific news!

That meme cost you guys the senate last year, so go for it!

...because Cory Gardner was a disciplined politician who hid his anti-women views, instead of making idiotic and inflammatory statements about how fun and cool mandatory ultrasounds are.

But,but, he was exposed for his radical anti-condom agenda!

No, he wasn't, that's the point. Walker, with comments like this, is exposing his radical agenda. This is not that complicated.

Look, im pro-choice as a matter of policy but it doesn't make sense for someone who represents the opinions of roughly half of voters as a radical and expect that by calling them a misogynist ad-nauseum you can win elections

But supporting mandatory ultrasounds is a radical position (and especially trivializing them in the way Walker does here). Whenever Republican governors have tried to pass the legislation in swing states there's been a severe backlash.

[Pandaguineapig]

Looks like the Republican Party is opening up a new front in the War on Women. Terrific news!

That meme cost you guys the senate last year, so go for it!

...because Cory Gardner was a disciplined politician who hid his anti-women views, instead of making idiotic and inflammatory statements about how fun and cool mandatory ultrasounds are.

But,but, he was exposed for his radical anti-condom agenda!

No, he wasn't, that's the point. Walker, with comments like this, is exposing his radical agenda. This is not that complicated.

Look, im pro-choice as a matter of policy but it doesn't make sense for someone who represents the opinions of roughly half of voters as a radical and expect that by calling them a misogynist ad-nauseum you can win elections

But supporting mandatory ultrasounds is a radical position (and especially trivializing them in the way Walker does here). Whenever Republican governors have tried to pass the legislation in swing states there's been a severe backlash.

But they still win reelection because while abortion is a divided wedge issue, most people don't base their votes on it

[Reaganfan]

I didn't see anything wrong with what he said. Democrats gotta be careful. They're already at a disadvantage with the male vote, you don't wanna lose all of it.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Udall lost because Obama listened to the idiotic advice of Pryor and Hagan and chose not to act on immigration before the midterm elections.

Um, no. Immigration had nothing to do with it (if anything, bringing up that issue would have only hurt him more). Udall would have won had he not run a one-issue campaign. Cardner defeated an incumbent who was a great fit for the state by less than 2 points in a liberal swing state in a big GOP year, so..

Agreed. Udall lost because he ran a terrible, awful campaign. Just like Walker is doing now.

While there's an outside chance Walker might be viable in some future primary, I think he's a loss for the 2016 cycle. Too much stupid and too much ego. The Walker campaign (such as it is) may (will) keep shambling on for a good while, but its not going anywhere.