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Question: Best President in US History?
#1
George Washington
 
#2
Thomas Jefferson
 
#3
Abraham Lincoln
 
#4
Theodore Roosevelt
 
#5
Franklin Roosevelt
 
#6
John Kennedy
 
#7
Ronald Reagan
 
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Donerail
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« on: May 28, 2015, 04:05:19 PM »

The fetish of several members of this forum for an unrepentant slaveholder is mildly disturbing.
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2015, 04:29:20 PM »

The fetish of several members of this forum for an unrepentant slaveholder is mildly disturbing.

Are you part of the "slave owner = automatic HP" crowd? If you are, by the same logic I guess we must never vote for FDR because he put Japanese Americans in camps. Or perhaps there's more to a president than doing or being one horrific thing/action...

There's a difference between doing something, however horrific, because you believe it to be necessary for the survival of the nation, and doing something because you hope to profit personally from it.
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2015, 07:05:04 PM »

The fetish of several members of this forum for an unrepentant slaveholder is mildly disturbing.

Are you part of the "slave owner = automatic HP" crowd? If you are, by the same logic I guess we must never vote for FDR because he put Japanese Americans in camps. Or perhaps there's more to a president than doing or being one horrific thing/action...

There's a difference between doing something, however horrific, because you believe it to be necessary for the survival of the nation, and doing something because you hope to profit personally from it.

You have to consider things in the context of the time......  It's a lot easier to oppose something when it's widely condemned and completely illegal.  It's certainly not good many Founders had slaves, but that doesn't mean we should automatically call them HPs. 

Who knows, we may be calling people "unrepentant meat eaters" 500 years in the future.  We don't know what moral directions society would turn.

That logic would hold up better if there wasn't a significant movement for the abolition of slavery during Jefferson's lifetime. As it was, Jefferson survived to see the elimination of slavery in all states north of the Mason-Dixon, as well as the prohibition of the international slave trade. Half the country hasn't yet banned meat.

The fetish of several members of this forum for an unrepentant slaveholder is mildly disturbing.

Are you part of the "slave owner = automatic HP" crowd? If you are, by the same logic I guess we must never vote for FDR because he put Japanese Americans in camps. Or perhaps there's more to a president than doing or being one horrific thing/action...

There's a difference between doing something, however horrific, because you believe it to be necessary for the survival of the nation, and doing something because you hope to profit personally from it.

What an absurd excuse for FDR's actions. LOL, You can't at least say some discrimination and xenophobia came into the decision? I'm not defending Jefferson's slave owning at all, but there's more  to the founders than 'they owned slaves'. You're suggesting to just look past and ignore all the other things.

I'm not excusing FDR's actions. Merely suggesting that perhaps enslaving entire generations for profit is a tad more morally reprehensible than a wartime internment. Attempting to directly analogize the two is absurd.
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