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Question: Who is your favorite landslide loser of the popular vote in the 19th century?
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John Adams (F-1800)		  
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Charles Pinckney (F-1804, 1808)		  
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Rufus King (F-1816)		  
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John Q. Adams (NR-1824, 1828)		  
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Henry Clay (NR-1832)		  
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William Harrison (W-1836)		  
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John Fremont (R-1856)		  
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Stephen Douglas (D-1860)		  
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George McClellan (D-1864)		  
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Horace Greeley (D-1872)		  
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« on: June 08, 2015, 11:17:22 AM »
Yes, I realize Quincy Adams won the presidency in 1824, but he lost by more than 10 points in the popular vote, enough to call that election incredibly corrupt, but anyway I say John Fremont.
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2015, 11:20:55 AM »
Fremont.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2015, 12:19:18 PM »
Fremont is objectively the right answer.
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2015, 01:01:26 PM »
I'm not sure pre-1824 candidates should be included here, since a sizable portion of the country didn't select electors by popular vote.

In any case, Clay. Fremont is just too incompetent for me to vote for here (though I would have supported him in 1856).
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2015, 01:03:56 PM »
Quote from: Speaker Harry S Truman on June 08, 2015, 01:01:26 PM

In any case, Clay. Fremont is just too incompetent for me to vote for here (though I would have supported him in 1856).
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2015, 01:13:59 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2015, 01:19:58 PM »
Where the hell is Winfield Scott (1852)?
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2015, 01:27:40 PM »
I imagine he was excluded because he didn't lose by enough to quality a landslide by the OP's definition on 10 points
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2015, 01:31:27 PM »
Quote from: SomebodyWhoExists on June 08, 2015, 01:27:40 PM
I imagine he was excluded because he didn't lose by enough to quality a landslide by the OP's definition on 10 points

If Harrison qualifies, Scott should qualify. They should replace each other, honestly. Harrison was a regional candidate, and overall, Van Buren pulled like what, just over 50%? That's like calling George Wallace a landslide loser. Harrison wasn't meant to win the electoral college, and he wasn't on the ballot to do so either.
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2015, 01:34:11 PM »
Nevermind, it was a 7 point loss only.

Well I guess Fremont then.
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2015, 01:39:25 PM »
Fremont didnt lose in a landslide , he was two states away from winning this whole thing. 2nd how do you put Fremont losing by a landslide but not Carter. Fremont lost 174-114 and Carter lost 489-49 and I think you should go by the electoral college not popular which decides the whole thing with anybody getting less then 23% of electoral college considered  a landslide loser. With Fremont being discounted as he didnt lose in a landslide I will have to go with Adams .
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2015, 01:53:19 PM »
Quote from: Computer09 on June 08, 2015, 01:39:25 PM
Fremont didnt lose in a landslide , he was two states away from winning this whole thing. 2nd how do you put Fremont losing by a landslide but not Carter. Fremont lost 174-114 and Carter lost 489-49 and I think you should go by the electoral college not popular which decides the whole thing with anybody getting less then 23% of electoral college considered  a landslide loser. With Fremont being discounted as he didnt lose in a landslide I will have to go with Adams .
Carter was elected in the 19th century?
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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2015, 02:54:41 PM »
Quote from: Computer09 on June 08, 2015, 01:39:25 PM
Fremont didnt lose in a landslide , he was two states away from winning this whole thing. 2nd how do you put Fremont losing by a landslide but not Carter. Fremont lost 174-114 and Carter lost 489-49 and I think you should go by the electoral college not popular which decides the whole thing with anybody getting less then 23% of electoral college considered  a landslide loser. With Fremont being discounted as he didnt lose in a landslide I will have to go with Adams .

I would rather analyze the amount of defeat and victory by people and votes than by anonymous electors that all vote unanimously no matter how close a state is. By your logic, if every state goes 51-49 in favor of one candidate and gets 538 electoral votes, that election should be called a landslide.
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