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« on: June 11, 2015, 05:48:40 AM »

I think, yes. Once he announces he'll fail to catch fire and the media will forget they ever liked him.
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2015, 07:14:29 AM »

Could be. Fred Thompson and Tim Pawlenty also looked great on paper.
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2015, 07:28:07 AM »

YES! A thousand times, yes! He will gain no traction outside of the media looking for a moderate hero.

I would not be surprised if on stage at a debate, he literally ripped off his face to reveal it's just a mask, and he is really Mitch Daniels.
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2015, 07:32:46 AM »

He's Mark Halperin's favorite candidate. Take that as you will.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2015, 09:17:03 AM »

No.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2015, 09:46:54 AM »

Yes
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2015, 09:51:43 AM »

Huntsman without the redeeming features
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2015, 10:05:02 AM »

I definitely see it. I mean it's possible that he breaks out of that role - he's a better team player than Jon Huntsman - but boy does he sound like he wants to go down easy street every time he's interviewed.
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2015, 04:11:58 PM »

Kasich makes way more sense as a VP.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2015, 10:20:14 PM »

I just don't see where his place is. He isn't a good fit for Iowa. I could see him doing well in New Hampshire but I don't think he's made enough contacts on the state or started early enough. He isn't particularly fit for SC or Nevada. If he doesn't do well in one of these states, he's toast. If he does start to gain fire, ad after ad will eviscerate him for Medicaid expansion, and I don't think any of the other candidates will rush to his defense. He'd be an excellent VP pick, but Governor Kasich doesn't strike me as someone who wants to be Vice President.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2015, 10:46:43 PM »

Yes, he's the Pawlenty of this cycle. 
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2015, 10:48:25 PM »

Yes, he's the Pawlenty of this cycle.  

Pataki is more of a Pawlenty than even Pawlenty himself.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2015, 10:52:49 PM »

Most likely, but he could get traction if other mainstream candidates implode.
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2015, 11:32:50 PM »

He's far more experienced than Pawlenty.  He's a Governor of a more crucial swing state, he's got a case for having the best qualifications to be President of the whole crowd that's running (and that includes Jeb Bush).  He's the most electable Republican; it's a matter of getting GOP primary voters to see this.
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2015, 01:36:56 AM »

In 2006, Romney was a practical nobody with names like Rudy, McCain, Allen, Frist and and others getting far more attention.

A couple of good debate performances and early organizing in Iowa and NH and by August 2007, nationally the game was Rudy and Fred in meaningless national polls, whilst both were trailing Romney in IA and NH.
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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2015, 01:41:00 AM »

Huntsman without the redeeming features

Huntsman didn't even have that many redeeming features anyway.
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2015, 01:51:11 AM »

In 2006, Romney was a practical nobody with names like Rudy, McCain, Allen, Frist and and others getting far more attention.

A couple of good debate performances and early organizing in Iowa and NH and by August 2007, nationally the game was Rudy and Fred in meaningless national polls, whilst both were trailing Romney in IA and NH.

Allen and Frist didn't run in 2006.
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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2015, 06:20:43 AM »

Pretty much.
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« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2015, 11:44:49 AM »

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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2015, 12:42:04 PM »

Yeah, like most GOP govs that have stepped out of their home state like Gov Romney, Perry, Walker, and Jeb.

They try to say government is the problem, not the solution. And try to put states rights as a one size fits all.

Like no health insurance for needy, but expand medicaid. That Kasich will be hit on.

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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2015, 12:45:38 PM »

In 2006, Romney was a practical nobody with names like Rudy, McCain, Allen, Frist and and others getting far more attention.

A couple of good debate performances and early organizing in Iowa and NH and by August 2007, nationally the game was Rudy and Fred in meaningless national polls, whilst both were trailing Romney in IA and NH.

Allen and Frist didn't run in 2006.

Always smarmy, never change. His post is easy to understand if you aren't just looking to be a douche.
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2015, 02:00:14 PM »

In 2006, Romney was a practical nobody with names like Rudy, McCain, Allen, Frist and and others getting far more attention.

A couple of good debate performances and early organizing in Iowa and NH and by August 2007, nationally the game was Rudy and Fred in meaningless national polls, whilst both were trailing Romney in IA and NH.

Allen and Frist didn't run in 2006.

Always smarmy, never change. His post is easy to understand if you aren't just looking to be a douche.

I'm going to defend Landslide Lyndon here.  Romney was also getting overshadowed by these other people but then half of them didn't run? What does that have to do with Kasich? There's no way Romney's polling and fundraising was as far behind as Kasich's are now.

Yes, he's the Pawlenty of this cycle. 

Pawlenty would probably have been the nominee if he hadn't dropped out, and maybe won.

Huntsman without the redeeming features

I've been slow to warm up to this but it does seem like the best comparison.

I just don't see where his place is. He isn't a good fit for Iowa. I could see him doing well in New Hampshire but I don't think he's made enough contacts on the state or started early enough. He isn't particularly fit for SC or Nevada. If he doesn't do well in one of these states, he's toast. If he does start to gain fire, ad after ad will eviscerate him for Medicaid expansion, and I don't think any of the other candidates will rush to his defense. He'd be an excellent VP pick, but Governor Kasich doesn't strike me as someone who wants to be Vice President.

Agree this. New Hampshire is maybe an opening for him but polls tell us very little and their history is confusing. Pat Buchanan and John McCain won presidential primaries 4 years apart, Kelly Ayotte and Ovide LaMontagne statewide primaries 2 years apart. And as long as Bush is a frontrunner, Kasich is likely to struggle like Huntsman against Romney.
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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2015, 05:47:08 PM »

In 2006, Romney was a practical nobody with names like Rudy, McCain, Allen, Frist and and others getting far more attention.

A couple of good debate performances and early organizing in Iowa and NH and by August 2007, nationally the game was Rudy and Fred in meaningless national polls, whilst both were trailing Romney in IA and NH.

Allen and Frist didn't run in 2006.

Always smarmy, never change. His post is easy to understand if you aren't just looking to be a douche.

I'm going to defend Landslide Lyndon here.  Romney was also getting overshadowed by these other people but then half of them didn't run? What does that have to do with Kasich? There's no way Romney's polling and fundraising was as far behind as Kasich's are now.

Yes, he's the Pawlenty of this cycle. 

Pawlenty would probably have been the nominee if he hadn't dropped out, and maybe won.

Yeah, and so would Mitch Daniels Roll Eyes
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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2015, 06:41:18 PM »
« Edited: June 12, 2015, 06:43:43 PM by Mister Mets »

I think he has tremendous growth potential.

He's arguably the most experienced 2016 candidate as a big-state Governor who served in the congressional leadership (six years as House Budget committee chairman.) And by 2016 candidates, I'm including Hillary.

He's been a cable TV host, so I'm guessing he can do pretty well on the stump, and handle himself well on the media.

He just won reelection in a landslide in a state Republicans need to flip.

There isn't significant opposition to him, in the sense that there aren't that many in the party who would be outraged if he got the nomination. He's got more gravitas than Walker, and less baggage than Jeb.

It's possible there won't be an opening for Kasich if Jeb rebounds, Walker handles himself well, or Romney decides to run. But he definitely has a shot.
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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2015, 06:52:32 PM »

I think he has tremendous growth potential.

He's arguably the most experienced 2016 candidate as a big-state Governor who served in the congressional leadership (six years as House Budget committee chairman.) And by 2016 candidates, I'm including Hillary.

He's been a cable TV host, so I'm guessing he can do pretty well on the stump, and handle himself well on the media.

He just won reelection in a landslide in a state Republicans need to flip.

There isn't significant opposition to him, in the sense that there aren't that many in the party who would be outraged if he got the nomination. He's got more gravitas than Walker, and less baggage than Jeb.

It's possible there won't be an opening for Kasich if Jeb rebounds, Walker handles himself well, or Romney decides to run. But he definitely has a shot.


I think it's arguable that Kasich is the "best qualified" candidate the GOP has, especially if you throw the ability to beat the Democrats into the mix.

Kasich, by the way, has been beating Democrats from day one.  In 1982, a bad Republican year, he upset Rep. Bob Shamansky (D-OH) in a Columbus-based district.  Shamansky had been elected in the 1980 Reagan year, so he wasn't a slouch.

From an electability plane, Kasich looks better by the day.  His qualifications reinforce his electability, and not the other way around.  These are good things in finding a winning Presidential candidate.
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