Vienna is now the 6th biggest city in the EU

[Tender Branson]

... because it has overtaken Bucharest.

1.805.681 people lived in Vienna on April 1, 2015 and it is growing at a clip of 35.000 (=> 2%) each year.

In recent years, Vienna has overtaken Barcelona, Warsaw, Budapest, Hamburg and Bucharest.

Only London, Berlin, Madrid, Rome and Paris are now bigger.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_in_the_European_Union_by_population_within_city_limits

But it's still less populous than in 1910, when it had 2.1 million people and ranked 4th in Europe.

Thoughts ?

[Sol]

Of course, that's by city limits, which are a cartoonishly silly way of measuring city size. The Ruhr is bigger, for example, if you look at the larger urban zones.

[Ebsy]

Of course, that's by city limits, which are a cartoonishly silly way of measuring city size. The Ruhr is bigger, for example, if you look at the larger urban zones.

Cartoonishly silly, yet preferred by most statisticians for whatever reason.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Of course, that's by city limits, which are a cartoonishly silly way of measuring city size. The Ruhr is bigger, for example, if you look at the larger urban zones.

The Ruhr region is insofar different from other urban areas that it lacks a distinct central core though. In most other cases it's just a big city (or sometimes two nearby cities) with its adjacent suburbs.

The Ruhr conssists of at least four core cities with populations below 600,000 each. So there's no "mayor of Ruhr", for instance.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

In recent years, Vienna has overtaken Barcelona, Warsaw, Budapest, Hamburg and Bucharest.

This is bloody outrageous.

[Hatman 🍁]

Turks?

[Mr. Morden]

Does the population include the people being held captive in Austrian basements?

[Hatman 🍁]

Does the population include the people being held captive in Austrian basements?

Tender does not live in Vienna.

[Tender Branson]

Does the population include the people being held captive in Austrian basements?

Tender does not live in Vienna.

But how do you know that I have not rented a basement there ?

[Hatman 🍁]

Does the population include the people being held captive in Austrian basements?

Tender does not live in Vienna.

But how do you know that I have not rented a basement there ?

Touche. This is a bit concerning that that you would have so many people in your rented basement that it would single handily move Vienna into 6th place.

[Boston Bread]

Turks?

Part of the reason, but they are not even the biggest minority there. 70800 Serbs, 44800 Turks.

[Cranberry]

Turks?

Part of the reason, but they are not even the biggest minority there. 70800 Serbs, 44800 Turks.

Turks are often second or third generation immigrant descendants though, so there are thousands of Turks that are Austrian citizens.


Most of this stems from domestic immigration though, I'd guess. Anything that's going on in Austria is going on in Vienna, so many young people from all over the country move there to study/work, and stay there because Vienna is quite attractive for young people to live in.

[Tender Branson]

Turks?

Part of the reason, but they are not even the biggest minority there. 70800 Serbs, 44800 Turks.

According to the MA23 (city bureau for statistics), about 36% (630.000) of Vienna's population has migration background (this includes people who are foreigners or who are now Austrians but were foreign born).

The biggest groups:

97.000 Serbs
76.000 Turks
52.000 Germans
47.000 Poles
39.000 Bosnians
27.000 Romanians
24.000 Croats
20.000 Hungarians
16.000 Czechs

https://www.wien.gv.at/menschen/integration/grundlagen/daten.html

The definition of "migration background" is slightly broader for STATISTICS Austria data, which also defines people with Austrian citizenship, but with at least 1 immigrant parent as a person with "migration background". With this definition, about 43% of Vienna has a migrant background.

http://www.statistik.at/web_de/statistiken/menschen_und_gesellschaft/bevoelkerung/bevoelkerungsstruktur/bevoelkerung_nach_migrationshintergrund/033241.html

[ingemann]

Turks?

Part of the reason, but they are not even the biggest minority there. 70800 Serbs, 44800 Turks.

According to the MA23 (city bureau for statistics), about 36% (630.000) of Vienna's population has migration background (this includes people who are foreigners or who are now Austrians but were foreign born).

The biggest groups:

97.000 Serbs
76.000 Turks
52.000 Germans
47.000 Poles
39.000 Bosnians
27.000 Romanians
24.000 Croats
20.000 Hungarians
16.000 Czechs

https://www.wien.gv.at/menschen/integration/grundlagen/daten.html

The definition of "migration background" is slightly broader for STATISTICS Austria data, which also defines people with Austrian citizenship, but with at least 1 immigrant parent as a person with "migration background". With this definition, about 43% of Vienna has a migrant background.

http://www.statistik.at/web_de/statistiken/menschen_und_gesellschaft/bevoelkerung/bevoelkerungsstruktur/bevoelkerung_nach_migrationshintergrund/033241.html

It could be interesting to see the ancestry of these. I would imagine that alot of those people are children of people who settled in Vienna under the empire, Volkdeutsche refugees after WW2 or Hungarians in 1956.

Beside that I'm not really surprised over this news. Vienna is a major transport hub on the border between East and West. It have always been a oversized city because of the former empire and historical had better room (not physical, but transport wise) to grow than Graz or Salzburg, while Linz lies so close that Vienna swallow much of its potential growth.

The only thing surprising me are the relative few Hungarians and Slovenians in Vienna. I would have thought both groups would be better represented.

[rob in cal]

   I wonder how many Viennese there are who have a long-ago Czech ancestor, say from around 1890 or 1900.  Weren't there lots of Czechs coming to Vienna then, when they were all together in the empire?