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Rockefeller GOP
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« on: June 12, 2015, 07:46:10 PM »

What a joke of a political party.

Progressive Lief, everyone.
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Rockefeller GOP
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2015, 04:40:42 AM »

Cloture passed 60-37, with the 13 DINOs (probably the same as last time) voting for it. 4 Republicans voted against cloture this time. Many of those 13 are Hillary supporters. This is no thanks to Hillary's spinelessness.

What was she supposed to do?

Take a clear position for starters.

I understand the sentiment.  But, this is lose-lose situation.  She couldn't come out against it, because it would be an insult to Obama.  Coming out for a complicated trade pact that will have already passed when she gets into office doesn't help her. 

When's the last time that Alabama's Senators were on the liberal side of an issue while Washington's Senators were on the conservative side?

Why is this a liberal/conservative issue?  There are plenty of liberals who support the TPP.

"Why is civil rights a liberal/conservative issue?  There were plenty of Northern conservatives who supported the CRA (and many Southern liberals who didn't."

"Why is foreign policy a liberal/conservative issue?  There were plenty of liberals who voted for the Iraq War."

This forum LOVES to put issues into left/right terms at its own convenience.
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Rockefeller GOP
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2015, 05:09:24 PM »

Cloture passed 60-37, with the 13 DINOs (probably the same as last time) voting for it. 4 Republicans voted against cloture this time. Many of those 13 are Hillary supporters. This is no thanks to Hillary's spinelessness.

What was she supposed to do?

Take a clear position for starters.

I understand the sentiment.  But, this is lose-lose situation.  She couldn't come out against it, because it would be an insult to Obama.  Coming out for a complicated trade pact that will have already passed when she gets into office doesn't help her. 

When's the last time that Alabama's Senators were on the liberal side of an issue while Washington's Senators were on the conservative side?

Why is this a liberal/conservative issue?  There are plenty of liberals who support the TPP.

"Why is civil rights a liberal/conservative issue?  There were plenty of Northern conservatives who supported the CRA (and many Southern liberals who didn't."

"Why is foreign policy a liberal/conservative issue?  There were plenty of liberals who voted for the Iraq War."

This forum LOVES to put issues into left/right terms at its own convenience.

Nope, the only southern liberal Senator, Ralph Yarborough, supported civil rights. Nice try.

Just because people like Robert Byrd and Albert Gore opposed this bill doesn't erase the fact that they were CLEARLY liberals - Southern liberals that learned from fellow old Southern Democrats like Huey Long who were more or less borderline socialists who just happened to also oppose civil rights legislation.  It's possible, sorry.
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