President of Spokane NAACP outed as white imposter

[Indy Texas]

If she says she's black, she's black. That's it. End of story. No one has the right to define her race but her and frankly, all of the transphobia surrounding this story is sickening.

I assume then you have no issue with

http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/mindy-kalings-brother-explains-why-he-pretended-to-be-black/

Where one Vijay Chokal-Ingam pretended to be black to get into medical school.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for him.

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He basically got handed a pitcher of lemonade and made lemons out of it. Someone who had the benefit of educated parents and a private school education and then only got a 3.1 GPA in college because they spent all their time at frat parties doesn't really deserve to get into med school.

Someone whose parents probably didn't attend college, who spent their formative years in a mediocre public school system, might have had to work while in school and couldn't afford MCAT prep classes, and got the grades and scores Chokal-Ingam did has achieved a lot more and demonstrated a lot more effort and ambition than he did, even though the end "output" was the same on paper.

[pbrower2a]

She has burned every possible bridge to the white race except for her DNA. 

[KingSweden]

Of course a story like this from my town goes national the weekend I'm out of town.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

If she says she's black, she's black. That's it. End of story. No one has the right to define her race but her and frankly, all of the transphobia surrounding this story is sickening.

I assume then you have no issue with

http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/mindy-kalings-brother-explains-why-he-pretended-to-be-black/

Where one Vijay Chokal-Ingam pretended to be black to get into medical school.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for him.

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He basically got handed a pitcher of lemonade and made lemons out of it. Someone who had the benefit of educated parents and a private school education and then only got a 3.1 GPA in college because they spent all their time at frat parties doesn't really deserve to get into med school.

Someone whose parents probably didn't attend college, who spent their formative years in a mediocre public school system, might have had to work while in school and couldn't afford MCAT prep classes, and got the grades and scores Chokal-Ingam did has achieved a lot more and demonstrated a lot more effort and ambition than he did, even though the end "output" was the same on paper.

Still not as bad as Dan Quayle being admitted to law school under an affirmative action program because daddy knew the dean.

[pbrower2a]

I have seen white women having done what Rachel Dolezal did, darkening their skin and hair and frizzing their straight or curly hair. Probably after some dirty looks about having a black husband and mixed-race children they decide that being seen as black in public isn't so bad after all.

How did I notice this? The skin coloring did not quite reach the hair line. 

[All Along The Watchtower]

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http://cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_41195e08-847c-5e7f-b11e-1c3a9005b1c6.html

[Samantha]

UPDATE: Dolezal has stepped down as President of the Spokane NAACP
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/15/rachel-dolezal-steps-down_n_7586736.html

Full statement:

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[RFayette]

He basically got handed a pitcher of lemonade and made lemons out of it. Someone who had the benefit of educated parents and a private school education and then only got a 3.1 GPA in college because they spent all their time at frat parties doesn't really deserve to get into med school.

Someone whose parents probably didn't attend college, who spent their formative years in a mediocre public school system, might have had to work while in school and couldn't afford MCAT prep classes, and got the grades and scores Chokal-Ingam did has achieved a lot more and demonstrated a lot more effort and ambition than he did, even though the end "output" was the same on paper.

I agree, but here's the problem.  This dude completely disclosed the fact that he came from a wealthy background by saying he needed no financial aid and that both his parents were well-educated.  It was just his race that was the differentiating factor here when he was discussing his application process.  
 

Affirmative action for socioeconomic status makes the most sense and this BS wouldn't happen.

If we don't get rid of race-based affirmative action, then we simply cannot tolerate "self-defining" of race.  It would have to be based on the race of the parents and systematically defined.    We just can't have it both ways.

[Indy Texas]

Back when she was still white, Dolezal sued Howard University for discriminating against her based on her white race.

This woman is a piece of work.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Damn somebody already beat me to the Jeb Bush jokes!

[Famous Mortimer]

For what it's worth, most SJWs I have observed have been very angry at this woman. They can't really explain why though. Half of them say this is different from transgenderism because race is a social construct and gender is unchanging. Half say because race is unchanging and gender is a social construct. Both arguments are rendered invalid when you bring up people who want to change their sex in addition to their gender (a good chunk of trans people).

Seems to me the only way to be consistent is to say live and let live, you can be whatever you want and identify however you want as long as you aren't hurting anyone.

Among my Black norm (non-intersectionalist) friends, most find it funny and don't mind. Among my Old Left Brocialist friends, most are supportive of the concept of transracialism.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

I northwest libruls.

[Beet]

Both race and gender are social constructs, but gun to my head, race is more of a social construct than gender.

Hence, if one lives in a society as a member of a particular race, then there is no functional difference from being a member of that race except being born into it, and being able to get out of it (minus any complications from surgery)... however the same could be said of transgender people. In a way it's tougher for transgender people since transwomen, for instance, retain greater physical strength, which you could say is an aspect of male privilege.

[Beet]

Both race and gender are social constructs, but gun to my head, race is more of a social construct than gender.

Hence, if one lives in a society as a member of a particular race, then there is no functional difference from being a member of that race except being born into it, and being able to get out of it (minus any complications from surgery)... however the same could be said of transgender people. In a way it's tougher for transgender people since transwomen, for instance, retain greater physical strength, which you could say is an aspect of male privilege.

This post is a good example of why the ability to ponder is vastly overrated.

Yes, as opposed to the ability to hover over a thread making snippy comments...

[Tender Branson]

Is she some kind of Michael Jackson in reverse ?

[Simfan34]

This is just ridiculous. Trans-racial, trans-abled, trans-ethnic. All of it, these identity disorders, including that one- you know what I mean. I don't know why the medical community has completely abdicated their responsibility here.

There, I said it. Give this post 10 death points for intolerance and bigotry, if you wish. Heck, give the other ones where I've said anything about a "teakettle" 10 death points too, because that's what I was talking about (if it wasn't already obvious). This is the internet, I don't know why I should have to censor myself.

[Ban my account ffs!]

This is just ridiculous. Trans-racial, trans-abled, trans-ethnic. All of it, these self-conception disorders, including that one- you know what I mean. I don't know why the medical community has completely abdicated their responsibility here.

There, I said it. Give this post 10 death points for intolerance and bigotry, if you wish. Heck, give the other ones where I've said anything about a "teakettle" 10 death points too, because that's what I was talking about (if it wasn't already obvious).

Lol.  I mean...lol. 

[Oakvale]

Excellent post, Simfan. Couldn't have said it better myself. We must unite against the forces of modern liberalism.

[Reaganfan]

This is just ridiculous. Trans-racial, trans-abled, trans-ethnic. All of it, these identity disorders, including that one- you know what I mean. I don't know why the medical community has completely abdicated their responsibility here.

There, I said it. Give this post 10 death points for intolerance and bigotry, if you wish. Heck, give the other ones where I've said anything about a "teakettle" 10 death points too, because that's what I was talking about (if it wasn't already obvious). This is the internet, I don't know why I should have to censor myself.

There's nothing bigoted about what you said. Things are completely out of control. I even read an article from a left-wing liberal professor, and he said his liberal college students, "scare him".

They're going so extreme, they seem to want a country with no laws, no race, no gender, no religion. It's gone beyond a John Lennon song now. It's gotta stop. You can cast the bait far out, but you still gotta have the line attached to pull it back in once in a while.

[Simfan34]

This is just ridiculous. Trans-racial, trans-abled, trans-ethnic. All of it, these self-conception disorders, including that one- you know what I mean. I don't know why the medical community has completely abdicated their responsibility here.

There, I said it. Give this post 10 death points for intolerance and bigotry, if you wish. Heck, give the other ones where I've said anything about a "teakettle" 10 death points too, because that's what I was talking about (if it wasn't already obvious).

Lol.  I mean...lol. 

Social constructs may be arbitrary, and some more so than others, but that doesn't mean I can arbitrarily hop around claiming I'm something other than what I'm normally considered to be. Dolezal may have an affinity for African-American culture and feel some kind of closeness to their identity, but that gives her as much right to call herself black as, say, a fondness for "European culture" and a belief in "WASP values" would give me a right to call myself white. It's absurdity.

[Famous Mortimer]

This is just ridiculous. Trans-racial, trans-abled, trans-ethnic. All of it, these identity disorders, including that one- you know what I mean. I don't know why the medical community has completely abdicated their responsibility here.

There, I said it. Give this post 10 death points for intolerance and bigotry, if you wish. Heck, give the other ones where I've said anything about a "teakettle" 10 death points too, because that's what I was talking about (if it wasn't already obvious). This is the internet, I don't know why I should have to censor myself.

There's nothing bigoted about what you said. Things are completely out of control. I even read an article from a left-wing liberal professor, and he said his liberal college students, "scare him".

They're going so extreme, they seem to want a country with no laws, no race, no gender, no religion. It's gone beyond a John Lennon song now. It's gotta stop. You can cast the bait far out, but you still gotta have the line attached to pull it back in once in a while.

No. It's the opposite. They want an infinite number of genders and they want race set in stone forever.

[Reaganfan]

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid

Here's that article btw.

Things have changed since I started teaching. The vibe is different. I wish there were a less blunt way to put this, but my students sometimes scare me — particularly the liberal ones.

Not, like, in a person-by-person sense, but students in general. The student-teacher dynamic has been reenvisioned along a line that's simultaneously consumerist and hyper-protective, giving each and every student the ability to claim Grievous Harm in nearly any circumstance, after any affront, and a teacher's formal ability to respond to these claims is limited at best.

I am frightened sometimes by the thought that a student would complain again like he did in 2009. Only this time it would be a student accusing me not of saying something too ideologically extreme — be it communism or racism or whatever — but of not being sensitive enough toward his feelings, of some simple act of indelicacy that's considered tantamount to physical assault. As Northwestern University professor Laura Kipnis writes, "Emotional discomfort is [now] regarded as equivalent to material injury, and all injuries have to be remediated." Hurting a student's feelings, even in the course of instruction that is absolutely appropriate and respectful, can now get a teacher into serious trouble.


It's gotta stop. I've said it on here for years. YEARS. Emotions do not matter. You can't make laws by them, you can't govern by them. The ONLY EMOTION in the US Constitution is the pursuit of happiness, and that is not the same as saying, "Destroy Professor Gibben's life, because he hurt your emotional well-being for constructively criticizing your answer."

[Simfan34]

This is just ridiculous. Trans-racial, trans-abled, trans-ethnic. All of it, these identity disorders, including that one- you know what I mean. I don't know why the medical community has completely abdicated their responsibility here.

There, I said it. Give this post 10 death points for intolerance and bigotry, if you wish. Heck, give the other ones where I've said anything about a "teakettle" 10 death points too, because that's what I was talking about (if it wasn't already obvious). This is the internet, I don't know why I should have to censor myself.

There's nothing bigoted about what you said. Things are completely out of control. I even read an article from a left-wing liberal professor, and he said his liberal college students, "scare him".

They're going so extreme, they seem to want a country with no laws, no race, no gender, no religion. It's gone beyond a John Lennon song now. It's gotta stop. You can cast the bait far out, but you still gotta have the line attached to pull it back in once in a while.

No. It's the opposite. They want an infinite number of genders and they want race set in stone forever.

I saw a comment to that extent, that read something like "No, you have it wrong, gender is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT while race is GENETIC." I was just left wonder if such concepts of race weren't precisely what people spent the last century trying to dispel.

So much of the stuff I read these days coming from these sources (and remember, where I am, it's omnipresent), doesn't really even generate a feeling of outrage or revulsion, but just a pure, uncomprehending sense of "wait...what?!"

[Ban my account ffs!]

This is just ridiculous. Trans-racial, trans-abled, trans-ethnic. All of it, these identity disorders, including that one- you know what I mean. I don't know why the medical community has completely abdicated their responsibility here.

There, I said it. Give this post 10 death points for intolerance and bigotry, if you wish. Heck, give the other ones where I've said anything about a "teakettle" 10 death points too, because that's what I was talking about (if it wasn't already obvious). This is the internet, I don't know why I should have to censor myself.

By the way...he is referring to transgender people.  He's too much of a coward to say it outright.

[Oakvale]

Uh I'm pretty sure Simfan was referring to the liberal lynch mobs that emerge whenever anyone attempts to talk about the social impact of transgenderism in anything other than the most glowing terms, not being "cowardly".

e: A word