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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2015, 01:28:39 PM »

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From that last part, it's pretty clear that Hillary Clinton's supposed inevitability can be thrown into the trash until further notice.
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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2015, 01:30:58 PM »

From that last part, it's pretty clear that Hillary Clinton's supposed inevitability can be thrown into the trash until further notice.

I'm pretty sure Team Hillary will find a way to destroy Sanders at some point.

Either that, or another cry-baby session is needed - like in 2008 before the NH primary ...
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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2015, 01:37:04 PM »

From that last part, it's pretty clear that Hillary Clinton's supposed inevitability can be thrown into the trash until further notice.

I'm pretty sure Team Hillary will find a way to destroy Sanders at some point.

Either that, or another cry-baby session is needed - like in 2008 before the NH primary ...

Exactly. Sanders also stands no chance of winning the South (including TX and FL).
Btw: I wonder why Hillary isn't doing as well in NH as in 2008? She was always a great fit for the state (and still is, presumably.)

Because people are sick and tired of her and want something new. And even though Bernie Sanders is like 100 years old, he's still newer and cooler than her ...
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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2015, 02:58:55 PM »

From that last part, it's pretty clear that Hillary Clinton's supposed inevitability can be thrown into the trash until further notice.

I'm pretty sure Team Hillary will find a way to destroy Sanders at some point.

Either that, or another cry-baby session is needed - like in 2008 before the NH primary ...

Exactly. Sanders also stands no chance of winning the South (including TX and FL).
Btw: I wonder why Hillary isn't doing as well in NH as in 2008? She was always a great fit for the state (and still is, presumably.)

Because people are sick and tired of her and want something new. And even though Bernie Sanders is like 100 years old, he's still newer and cooler than her ...
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« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2015, 03:01:35 PM »

Seems pretty clear that although it probably won't be able to derail Clinton this time, the Dems are going to have a serious radicalism problem as their base gets younger.
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« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2015, 03:40:45 PM »

Good, it's about time.
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« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2015, 05:16:59 PM »

From that last part, it's pretty clear that Hillary Clinton's supposed inevitability can be thrown into the trash until further notice.

I'm pretty sure Team Hillary will find a way to destroy Sanders at some point.

Either that, or another cry-baby session is needed - like in 2008 before the NH primary ...

Exactly. Sanders also stands no chance of winning the South (including TX and FL).
Btw: I wonder why Hillary isn't doing as well in NH as in 2008? She was always a great fit for the state (and still is, presumably.)

Because people are sick and tired of her and want something new. And even though Bernie Sanders is like 100 years old, he's still newer and cooler than her ...

Yes, they're so sick and tired of her that she's the strongest nonincumbent frontrunner in history, nonwithstanding "only" leading by 10+ points in one state.
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« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2015, 06:05:42 PM »

I wonder what the NH polls would look like right now if Warren was running rather than Sanders.
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« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2015, 06:18:21 PM »

Seems pretty clear that although it probably won't be able to derail Clinton this time, the Dems are going to have a serious radicalism problem as their base gets younger.

Coming from the party of government shutdowns and debt defaults ?
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« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2015, 06:56:16 PM »

Seems pretty clear that although it probably won't be able to derail Clinton this time, the Dems are going to have a serious radicalism problem as their base gets younger.

Coming from the party of government shutdowns and debt defaults ?

Besides radicalism would not be a problem, it would be welcomed by all parties, Hillary included.
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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2015, 09:46:10 PM »

It looks like Hilldog will have to give Bernie a good thrashing in the debates. No hard feelings, but blame the people of New Hampshire.
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« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2015, 12:54:19 AM »

I was also thinking of the Gore/Bradley thing.  Of course, despite nearly winning New Hampshire Bradley quickly dropped off the map after that.  Sanders would likely face many of the same problems, even with crowd funding.

The other problem for Sanders is that he also has to contend with Chafee, O'Malley and Webb (if he runs) splitting the anti HRC vote.  O'Malley on paper is much more or an alternative to HRC but he seems to be running on the same issues as Chafee and Sanders (and Webb) though with more emphasis on 'good government' and analytics to balance his new found populism.
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« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2015, 07:58:55 PM »

I was also thinking of the Gore/Bradley thing.  Of course, despite nearly winning New Hampshire Bradley quickly dropped off the map after that.  Sanders would likely face many of the same problems, even with crowd funding.

The other problem for Sanders is that he also has to contend with Chafee, O'Malley and Webb (if he runs) splitting the anti HRC vote.  O'Malley on paper is much more or an alternative to HRC but he seems to be running on the same issues as Chafee and Sanders (and Webb) though with more emphasis on 'good government' and analytics to balance his new found populism.

O'Malley reminds me of Tim Pawlenty. Relatively competent two term governor who just can't get traction because a plank with a smiley face has more charisma than either of them. Chafee won't be a huge threat; he's seen as a joke.

I don't think that Webb will be that much of a threat either. Again, he seems qualified, but in his case, he seems to be positioning himself to the center. I don't think that there will be that much overlap between Webb and Sanders.

Potentially the worst thing for Hillary would be if O'Malley and Chafee dropped out while Webb entered and stayed in. Not that it would be terrible for Hillary per say.

Winning NH would give a challenger a lot more of a boost than just coming close. It could keep Sanders in until Super Tuesday or the weekend after (when Maine has its caucus).
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« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2015, 08:58:26 PM »

B-but I heard she's inevitable!
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« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2015, 09:07:34 PM »


You heard correctly.
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« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2015, 01:55:37 PM »

Either that, or another cry-baby session is needed - like in 2008 before the NH primary ...

Nah, with that kind of unrestrained sexism from her opponents, I'm sure Clinton will win the sympathy vote without having to shed a single tear.
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« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2015, 03:05:00 PM »

Let's hope the Dems nominate Sanders. It's been a while since the GOP has won in a semi-landslide (and potentially a landslide) Smiley
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« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2015, 03:07:45 PM »

Let's hope the Dems nominate Sanders. It's been a while since the GOP has won in a semi-landslide (and potentially a landslide) Smiley

You mean like how the Democrats were really hoping and Republicans like Ford were worried that Reagan would get the nomination because he was unelectable?
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« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2015, 05:05:26 PM »

I'm ready for my next New Hampshire poll. When's it coming?
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« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2015, 06:00:31 PM »

Let's hope the Dems nominate Sanders. It's been a while since the GOP has won in a semi-landslide (and potentially a landslide) Smiley

You mean like how the Democrats were really hoping and Republicans like Ford were worried that Reagan would get the nomination because he was unelectable?

Bernie doesn't even come close to having the charisma Reagan had. In general I also think its easier for a far right pol to win opposed to a far left one, this is America we're talking about.
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« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2015, 07:21:04 PM »

This is a sign that Sanders COULD be for real. It's still difficult to fathom how he'd win the nomination, but he at least has a chance of avoiding a Gore vs. Bradley "over after New Hampshire" outcome and force the primary race to go a few months.
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« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2015, 07:44:39 PM »

She beat Barack Obama in NH.  She's going to beat Bernie Sanders.  Come on.
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« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2015, 09:36:18 PM »

She beat Barack Obama in NH.  She's going to beat Bernie Sanders.  Come on.
To be fair, if there is anyone who is going to beat Clinton in New Hampshire, it is Bernie Sanders. However, I doubt he will beat her, and even if he does, he still doesn't have a path to the nomination.
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« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2015, 12:46:41 AM »

She beat Barack Obama in NH.  She's going to beat Bernie Sanders.  Come on.

I think Sanders is actually more likely to appeal to the type of people in New Hampshire who powered Clinton to that win in '08 than Obama ever was. We'll see what happens.
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« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2015, 07:48:21 AM »

She beat Barack Obama in NH.  She's going to beat Bernie Sanders.  Come on.

I think Sanders is actually more likely to appeal to the type of people in New Hampshire who powered Clinton to that win in '08 than Obama ever was. We'll see what happens.

I don't get that.  Clinton won the south/eastern Boston exurban parts of NH, while Obama won some more rural, Vermont-like counties. 

In terms of message, Sanders isn't like either Obama or Clinton in 2008.  He's more like John Edwards in terms of message.
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