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« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2015, 06:11:17 PM »

Adults watching children's cartoons is funny and weird. Only on Atlas would this be a controversial opinion that requires TNF to elaborate or justify himself.

What is a "children's cartoon" though? MormDem was making the point that some cartoons can very well appeal to several audiences. It's a perfectly valid argument, and is widely acknowledged.
something marketed to children. which it obviously is. you can enjoy something without being defensive or a weirdo about it (not tumblr)

I agree (as I've said from the very beginning, read my first post), but that's not what Oakvale and TNF said.
i understand how low effort 'lol nerds' typo posts can get annoying but its not like furiously hitting the keyboard and parsing words over what is or isnt a kids cartoon is going to change it. just move on
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« Reply #51 on: June 18, 2015, 06:24:31 PM »

There's clearly a difference between occasionally watching a Spongebob or Fairly Oddparents episode, whose general audience is kids aged 5-12, for instance, and being obsessed with a show specifically designed for little girls.  Pixar movies and shows like Avatar: the last Airbender are way broader and thus it's a false equivalence to compare them to My Little Pony. 
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« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2015, 07:59:01 PM »

There's clearly a difference between occasionally watching a Spongebob or Fairly Oddparents episode, whose general audience is kids aged 5-12, for instance, and being obsessed with a show specifically designed for little girls.  Pixar movies and shows like Avatar: the last Airbender are way broader and thus it's a false equivalence to compare them to My Little Pony. 

Two holes in that argument:

TNF and Co. shifted the conversation away from obsession of kid's shows and that difference, and have pretty much gone into attack mode on any adult who dares simply watch and enjoy a cartoon  meant for kids, even if said kids show might have a lot of likable things. They aren't even taking into account when said kids shows become more broadly focused.

And next, Avatar was meant for boys originally and just boys, but like how Bronies happened, the other current ATLA fans caught onto the excellent world-building, snappy dialogue, and memorable characters.

Next thing ya' know, it's a huge hit and the writers start adding subtle concessions, while keeping the main target demographic in mind.

So, actually it is a fairly apt comparison [no comparison is perfect], given that both are kids shows that far exceeded expectations.
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« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2015, 09:24:57 PM »

There's clearly a difference between occasionally watching a Spongebob or Fairly Oddparents episode, whose general audience is kids aged 5-12, for instance, and being obsessed with a show specifically designed for little girls.  Pixar movies and shows like Avatar: the last Airbender are way broader and thus it's a false equivalence to compare them to My Little Pony.  

Two holes in that argument:

TNF and Co. shifted the conversation away from obsession of kid's shows and that difference, and have pretty much gone into attack mode on any adult who dares simply watch and enjoy a cartoon  meant for kids, even if said kids show might have a lot of likable things. They aren't even taking into account when said kids shows become more broadly focused.

And next, Avatar was meant for boys originally and just boys, but like how Bronies happened, the other current ATLA fans caught onto the excellent world-building, snappy dialogue, and memorable characters.

Next thing ya' know, it's a huge hit and the writers start adding subtle concessions, while keeping the main target demographic in mind.

So, actually it is a fairly apt comparison [no comparison is perfect], given that both are kids shows that far exceeded expectations.

Fair enough, but still, let's just put this on an instinctual level.

Which seems more strange:  an adult man watching ATLA or an adult man watching My Little Pony? The latter should be the obvious answer.

 ATLA is at least designed somewhat for older boys (like 8-12) whereas My Little Pony is more for younger girls, even if we take gender considerations out the window.
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« Reply #54 on: June 18, 2015, 09:28:59 PM »

Adults watching children's cartoons is funny and weird. Only on Atlas would this be a controversial opinion that requires TNF to elaborate or justify himself.

What is a "children's cartoon" though? MormDem was making the point that some cartoons can very well appeal to several audiences. It's a perfectly valid argument, and is widely acknowledged.
something marketed to children. which it obviously is. you can enjoy something without being defensive or a weirdo about it (not tumblr)

Treating marketing demographics as germane to artistic qualities is a little weird, and frankly a pretty lazy substitute for making an actual argument about why someone should or shouldn't be interested in something.
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« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2015, 11:56:23 PM »

I'm starting to think bronies killed Kalwejt's family.
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« Reply #56 on: June 19, 2015, 09:13:39 AM »

Adults watching children's cartoons is funny and weird. Only on Atlas would this be a controversial opinion that requires TNF to elaborate or justify himself.

What is a "children's cartoon" though? MormDem was making the point that some cartoons can very well appeal to several audiences. It's a perfectly valid argument, and is widely acknowledged.
something marketed to children. which it obviously is. you can enjoy something without being defensive or a weirdo about it (not tumblr)

I agree (as I've said from the very beginning, read my first post), but that's not what Oakvale and TNF said.
i understand how low effort 'lol nerds' typo posts can get annoying but its not like furiously hitting the keyboard and parsing words over what is or isnt a kids cartoon is going to change it. just move on

What the hell does that even mean?
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« Reply #57 on: June 19, 2015, 09:15:17 AM »

I actually think it's perfectly reasonable to expect that a grown man who watches a cartoon for little girls is a deviant and probably should be on some kind of watchlist.
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« Reply #58 on: June 19, 2015, 09:33:51 AM »

I actually think it's perfectly reasonable to expect that a grown man who watches a cartoon for little girls is a deviant and probably should be on some kind of watchlist.

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« Reply #59 on: June 19, 2015, 09:54:12 AM »

I'm starting to think bronies killed Kalwejt's family.

Nazis weren't bronies.
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« Reply #60 on: June 19, 2015, 10:01:03 AM »

I actually think it's perfectly reasonable to expect that a grown man who watches a cartoon for little girls is a deviant and probably should be on some kind of watchlist.

I don't necessarily disagree, but can you please define what "a cartoon for little girls" means?
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« Reply #61 on: June 19, 2015, 10:30:51 AM »
« Edited: June 19, 2015, 10:45:41 AM by L.D. Smith, Bay Area Conservadem »

I actually think it's perfectly reasonable to expect that a grown man who watches a cartoon for little girls is a deviant and probably should be on some kind of watchlist.

lol

No kidding, after all that would put:

Relatives (Brothers, Fathers, Uncles, Grandfathers, etc.) with little girls of the demographic.

Babysitters

The writers and studio heads themselves behind said shows who might be proud of their work, actually they'll have to watch for the inevitable DVD commentaries, because what doesn't have that?

All of these people are deviants who should on watchlists by the logic displayed here. Excellent work.

P.S. What of grown women who still watch Transformers or any other show meant for little boys? There's not much of an outcry for them being deviants now is there?


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« Reply #62 on: June 19, 2015, 11:18:16 AM »

P.S. What of grown women who still watch Transformers or any other show meant for little boys? There's not much of an outcry for them being deviants now is there?

Bad example. Watching Transformers is unforgivable regardless of age.
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« Reply #63 on: June 19, 2015, 11:50:03 AM »


P.S. What of grown women who still watch Transformers or any other show meant for little boys? There's not much of an outcry for them being deviants now is there?


The difference being that:

A. There's not many of them.
B. They aren't creepily vocal.
C. They aren't so creepily and scarily vocal that they put it into everyone's face and make porn out of it.
D. There's not many who fantasize about intercourse with their favorite characters (who are basically horse children, aren't they?)
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« Reply #64 on: June 19, 2015, 11:51:03 AM »

Adults watching children's cartoons is funny and weird. Only on Atlas would this be a controversial opinion that requires TNF to elaborate or justify himself.

What is a "children's cartoon" though? MormDem was making the point that some cartoons can very well appeal to several audiences. It's a perfectly valid argument, and is widely acknowledged.
something marketed to children. which it obviously is. you can enjoy something without being defensive or a weirdo about it (not tumblr)

I agree (as I've said from the very beginning, read my first post), but that's not what Oakvale and TNF said.
i understand how low effort 'lol nerds' typo posts can get annoying but its not like furiously hitting the keyboard and parsing words over what is or isnt a kids cartoon is going to change it. just move on

What the hell does that even mean?
it means you're putting way too much effort and sincerity into having a discussion over what are obvious troll posts and one liners
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« Reply #65 on: June 19, 2015, 12:00:23 PM »

Adults watching children's cartoons is funny and weird. Only on Atlas would this be a controversial opinion that requires TNF to elaborate or justify himself.

What is a "children's cartoon" though? MormDem was making the point that some cartoons can very well appeal to several audiences. It's a perfectly valid argument, and is widely acknowledged.
something marketed to children. which it obviously is. you can enjoy something without being defensive or a weirdo about it (not tumblr)

I agree (as I've said from the very beginning, read my first post), but that's not what Oakvale and TNF said.
i understand how low effort 'lol nerds' typo posts can get annoying but its not like furiously hitting the keyboard and parsing words over what is or isnt a kids cartoon is going to change it. just move on

What the hell does that even mean?
it means you're putting way too much effort and sincerity into having a discussion over what are obvious troll posts and one liners

The discussion has been going on for a while without me, and I just added my two cents in response to a particularly ridiculous Oakvale post. It's not like I wrote some huge effortpost.
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« Reply #66 on: June 19, 2015, 12:38:34 PM »
« Edited: June 19, 2015, 12:49:02 PM by L.D. Smith, Bay Area Conservadem »


P.S. What of grown women who still watch Transformers or any other show meant for little boys? There's not much of an outcry for them being deviants now is there?


The difference being that:

A. There's not many of them.
B. They aren't creepily vocal.
C. They aren't so creepily and scarily vocal that they put it into everyone's face and make porn out of it.
D. There's not many who fantasize about intercourse with their favorite characters (who are basically horse children, aren't they?)

All true (hence my vote), but that's just one small, but vocal aspect and usual internet fandom stupidity (switch what the porn in and you can apply this to practically any popular show these days)

Except the conversation has shifted to dumping on people for simply watching out of their demographic, never mind why and how the show is watched.
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« Reply #67 on: June 19, 2015, 01:08:25 PM »

MEGA HPs.
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« Reply #68 on: June 19, 2015, 04:27:05 PM »

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« Reply #69 on: June 20, 2015, 10:13:51 PM »

This is a terrible, terrible thread.

To each their own, guys.

I'm not a brony (I've seen some episodes with my daughter, though), but I do recommend watching the documentary about bronies on Netflix. It explains the phenomena, which until that point didn't make any sense to me.
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« Reply #70 on: June 20, 2015, 11:40:55 PM »
« Edited: June 20, 2015, 11:52:25 PM by L.D. Smith, Bay Area Conservadem »

This is a terrible, terrible thread.

To each their own, guys.

I'm not a brony (I've seen some episodes with my daughter, though), but I do recommend watching the documentary about bronies on Netflix. It explains the phenomena, which until that point didn't make any sense to me.

Congratulations Hatman,  that's exactly what I've wanted to say, but never had the calm to stop at.

@Cathy: And this thread in general is an excellent example of it still being there.

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« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2015, 06:27:47 PM »

"You kids wanna come with me? I've got all the seasons of My Little Pony."
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« Reply #72 on: July 05, 2015, 07:07:14 AM »

I've never seen it outside of a few minutes one time. Didn't really strike my fancy. But I think that people should be able to do what they want. If it doesn't hurt anyone else, what do I care?

Is obsessing over My Little Pony weird? Sure. Are some of them obsessing for bad reasons? Probably. But I'd bet that most people just like the show, with no ulterior motives. Again, I'll agree that it's weird, but most of us probably do things just as weird as watch a show about friendship.

Judging people as perverts or losers because of this is more messed up than watching a kids show.

My opinion of bronies is "kind of weird." Nothing really positive or negative. But I roll my eyes at people getting on their high horse (or, in this case, high pony--ba-dum-tiss) making assumptions and judgements on bronies and their motives.

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Since when has sexism as a whole been outdated? Sure, certain parts of it get tossed aside, but sexism itself? It's all the rage these days, as it always has been.

Correct, sexisim is all the rage these days. But it shouldn't be. Faust's take on it is eye-opening to those who put blanket labels on bronies, and I thank Evergreen for providing that quote, which is more meaningful than someone like me typing away long-winded nonsense on my keyboard.

"You kids wanna come with me? I've got all the seasons of My Little Pony."

So...someone liking a show made for kids means it's likely they want to sexually abuse kids?

Should we also put all chefs on a watchlist for knifing people?

Assuming people's actions based on the worst example is just as unhealthy, if not more unhealthy, than a grown person watching a kids show about friendship.
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« Reply #73 on: July 05, 2015, 11:56:55 AM »

Does oakvale seriously think it's weird for adults to watch Pixar movies?

Of course he does, he is a freedom-hating demon. He's even more evil than Bushie, who is at least Stupid Evil rather than Neutral Evil.
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« Reply #74 on: July 05, 2015, 12:42:20 PM »

Maybe the whole idea that we can make vast judgments about people's character based on what they watch is dumb or something.

Also the idea that only little girls can watch My Little Pony is sexist, and the idea that adults can't watch and enjoy kids cartoons is the reason most children's television sucks.
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