South Carolina shooter's photos found on white supremacist website

[JRP1994]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/us/dylann-storm-roof-photos-website-charleston-church-shooting.html?smid=nytnow-share&smprod=nytnow&_r=0

I refuse to give him relevance by referring to him by name. But the NYT found this, apparently.

[Likely Voter]

Let's see South Carolinian Republicans defend the confederate flag as a symbol of 'heritage' now.

[Ebsy]

B-but... he obviously killed them because they were God-fearing Christians!

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Let's see South Carolinian Republicans defend the confederate flag as a symbol of 'heritage' now.

If not for the Confederate flag and pistol that looks like a typical PAPOY image.

[afleitch]

Filth.

[wildfood]

I refuse to give him relevance by referring to him by name. But the NYT found this, apparently.

Too much press coverage. His manifesto is now out.

It is obscene how we give these people what they want: attention.

[Likely Voter]

HuffPo has the manifesto. This portion is interesting and essentially shows how he was radicalized on the Internet.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Here is a pic of the leader of the Council of Conservative Citizens holding a rally defending the Confederate Flag flying at the capital in South Carolina


And here is a lovely picture of some of the Council of Conservative Citizens celebrating their victory of keeping the flag on the grounds


Again, I look forward to those defending the flag on the grounds and how it is part of their heritage.

[wildfood]

You must be logged in to read this quote.

[Likely Voter]

You must be logged in to read this quote.

How often do we hear people talk about how ISIS is radicalizing people on the net and the threat of lone wolf attacks?

But when it comes to racist hate groups we should bury out heads in the sand and ignore the fact that the same exact thing is happening?

[wildfood]

You must be logged in to read this quote.

How often do we hear people talk about how ISIS is radicalizing people on the net and the threat of lone wolf attacks?

But when it comes to racist hate groups we should bury out heads in the sand and ignore the fact that the same exact thing is happening?

On the internet "Do not feed the trolls" is well understood and even works where practiced.

Feeding trolls IRL gets people killed.

[Likely Voter]

Sorry but identifying the problem and shining a light on the underground of hate groups on the web in this country is not a bad thing to do. People need to be aware of the danger. Parents need to know that there are sites out there poisoning the minds of kids, some of whom may turn to violence. Pretending they dont exist and not talking about them wont make them go away.

And in this particular instance I think the connection to South Carolina's official embrace of the Confederate flag and this particular hate group is a salient point.

[politicallefty]

Flying the Confederate flag should be considered an act of treason and should be dealt with accordingly. I am tired of hearing excuses for that racist and treasonous flag.

[wildfood]

Sorry but identifying the problem and shining a light on the underground of hate groups on the web in this country is not a bad thing to do. People need to be aware of the danger. Parents need to know that there are sites out there poisoning the minds of kids, some of whom may turn to violence. Pretending they dont exist and not talking about them wont make them go away.

And in this particular instance I think the connection to South Carolina's official embrace of the Confederate flag and this particular hate group is a salient point.

But you just published a part of a killer's manifesto. Can you not shine a light without furthering his goal of getting his message out? 

[WVdemocrat]

Sorry but identifying the problem and shining a light on the underground of hate groups on the web in this country is not a bad thing to do. People need to be aware of the danger. Parents need to know that there are sites out there poisoning the minds of kids, some of whom may turn to violence. Pretending they dont exist and not talking about them wont make them go away.

And in this particular instance I think the connection to South Carolina's official embrace of the Confederate flag and this particular hate group is a salient point.

But you just published a part of a killer's manifesto. Can you not shine a light without furthering his goal of getting his message out? 

You hear pundits talking about how ISIS attracts followers in the West by convincing them they'll have greater opportunity and a better life if they join ISIS. Why can the same not be applied here? Clearly this man was radicalized by the bullsh*t talking points on Fox News about white persecution. Can we not have an open discussion about this growing problem in the United States?

[Likely Voter]

I believe the fine people here at the Atlas can handle that paragraph. It doesn't glorify the racist scumbag who wrote it, but it does explain his path to murder, which has been the subject of much discussion. It seems to me that there are a lot of people who seem to not want to talk about the racial motives of this guy. You hear talk of drugs or religion. The real motives are there in black and white and I think people should read it to understand. I think it will inspire more people to root out racism then it will inspire people to join the cause of the race war.

[wildfood]

Sorry but identifying the problem and shining a light on the underground of hate groups on the web in this country is not a bad thing to do. People need to be aware of the danger. Parents need to know that there are sites out there poisoning the minds of kids, some of whom may turn to violence. Pretending they dont exist and not talking about them wont make them go away.

And in this particular instance I think the connection to South Carolina's official embrace of the Confederate flag and this particular hate group is a salient point.

But you just published a part of a killer's manifesto. Can you not shine a light without furthering his goal of getting his message out?  

You hear pundits talking about how ISIS attracts followers in the West by convincing them they'll have greater opportunity and a better life if they join ISIS. Why can the same not be applied here? Clearly this man was radicalized by the bullsh*t talking points on Fox News about white persecution. Can we not have an open discussion about this growing problem in the United States?

We are dealing with sick minds who want attention.

When someone jumps off the Golden Gate Bridge there is no nationwide discussion (indeed, local papers give minimal coverage to the event) because it is known that this will only encourage copycats.

When a drunk runs onto a football/baseball field the cameras are immediately averted because it is known that showing these people will only encourage others.

Copycat killers are a known and studied phenomena. Have you not seen how many times one mass shooting follows another?

Some killers place their manifestos where they will later be found because they know they may not make it out alive to tell their story and that their acts will ensure their story receives the widest possible audience.

Surely we can have this conversation without publishing manifestos and giving these people what they so desperately want, what they kill to achieve, attention.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Sorry but identifying the problem and shining a light on the underground of hate groups on the web in this country is not a bad thing to do. People need to be aware of the danger. Parents need to know that there are sites out there poisoning the minds of kids, some of whom may turn to violence. Pretending they dont exist and not talking about them wont make them go away.

And in this particular instance I think the connection to South Carolina's official embrace of the Confederate flag and this particular hate group is a salient point.

But you just published a part of a killer's manifesto. Can you not shine a light without furthering his goal of getting his message out?  

You hear pundits talking about how ISIS attracts followers in the West by convincing them they'll have greater opportunity and a better life if they join ISIS. Why can the same not be applied here? Clearly this man was radicalized by the bullsh*t talking points on Fox News about white persecution. Can we not have an open discussion about this growing problem in the United States?

We are dealing with sick minds who want attention.

When someone jumps off the Golden Gate Bridge there is no nationwide discussion (indeed, local papers give minimal coverage to the event) because it is known that this will only encourage copycats.

When a drunk runs onto a football/baseball field the cameras are immediately averted because it is known that showing these people will only encourage others.

Copycat killers are a known and studied phenomena. Have you not seen how many times one mass shooting follows another?

Some killers place their manifestos where they will later be found because they know they may not make it out alive to tell their story and that their acts will ensure their story receives the widest possible audience.

Surely we can have this conversation without publishing manifestos and giving these people what they so desperately want, what they kill to achieve, attention.

He was not aiming for attention. He was aiming for a race war.

[WVdemocrat]

Sorry but identifying the problem and shining a light on the underground of hate groups on the web in this country is not a bad thing to do. People need to be aware of the danger. Parents need to know that there are sites out there poisoning the minds of kids, some of whom may turn to violence. Pretending they dont exist and not talking about them wont make them go away.

And in this particular instance I think the connection to South Carolina's official embrace of the Confederate flag and this particular hate group is a salient point.

But you just published a part of a killer's manifesto. Can you not shine a light without furthering his goal of getting his message out?  

You hear pundits talking about how ISIS attracts followers in the West by convincing them they'll have greater opportunity and a better life if they join ISIS. Why can the same not be applied here? Clearly this man was radicalized by the bullsh*t talking points on Fox News about white persecution. Can we not have an open discussion about this growing problem in the United States?

We are dealing with sick minds who want attention.

When someone jumps off the Golden Gate Bridge there is no nationwide discussion (indeed, local papers give minimal coverage to the event) because it is known that this will only encourage copycats.

When a drunk runs onto a football/baseball field the cameras are immediately averted because it is known that showing these people will only encourage others.

Copycat killers are a known and studied phenomena. Have you not seen how many times one mass shooting follows another?

Some killers place their manifestos where they will later be found because they know they may not make it out alive to tell their story and that their acts will ensure their story receives the widest possible audience.

Surely we can have this conversation without publishing manifestos and giving these people what they so desperately want, what they kill to achieve, attention.

He was not aiming for attention. He was aiming for a race war.

Exactly. This man had a motive and he had a goal. He wasn't an attention-seeker. We discuss radicalization by ISIS all the time, why not discuss this?

[wildfood]

You must be logged in to read this quote.

So was Charles Manson, or so he said. I don't put much stock in these people's stated justifications.

[Badger]

Sorry but identifying the problem and shining a light on the underground of hate groups on the web in this country is not a bad thing to do. People need to be aware of the danger. Parents need to know that there are sites out there poisoning the minds of kids, some of whom may turn to violence. Pretending they dont exist and not talking about them wont make them go away.

And in this particular instance I think the connection to South Carolina's official embrace of the Confederate flag and this particular hate group is a salient point.

But you just published a part of a killer's manifesto. Can you not shine a light without furthering his goal of getting his message out?  

You hear pundits talking about how ISIS attracts followers in the West by convincing them they'll have greater opportunity and a better life if they join ISIS. Why can the same not be applied here? Clearly this man was radicalized by the bullsh*t talking points on Fox News about white persecution. Can we not have an open discussion about this growing problem in the United States?

We are dealing with sick minds who want attention.

When someone jumps off the Golden Gate Bridge there is no nationwide discussion (indeed, local papers give minimal coverage to the event) because it is known that this will only encourage copycats.

When a drunk runs onto a football/baseball field the cameras are immediately averted because it is known that showing these people will only encourage others.

Copycat killers are a known and studied phenomena. Have you not seen how many times one mass shooting follows another?

Some killers place their manifestos where they will later be found because they know they may not make it out alive to tell their story and that their acts will ensure their story receives the widest possible audience.

Surely we can have this conversation without publishing manifestos and giving these people what they so desperately want, what they kill to achieve, attention.

You are incorrect. The media reports all of these phenomenon , and yet we don't wind up with many copycats.

[MaxQue]

The real question here is, given that manifesto, will the CCC finally be declared a terrorist group? They indoctrinated a terrorist.

[wildfood]

You must be logged in to read this quote.

That's just not true:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/the-media-needs-to-stop-inspiring-copycat-murders-heres-how/266439/

[Badger]

You must be logged in to read this quote.

That's just not true:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/the-media-needs-to-stop-inspiring-copycat-murders-heres-how/266439/

that is a decidedly less than compellinng argument. that columbine, aurora, sandy hook, charleston, et al were all largely caused by extensive media coverage of the prior incidents? the Atlantic is a fine publication, but that doesn't mean they never allow someone to author a cluncker of an article now and again.

[MaxQue]

You must be logged in to read this quote.

That's just not true:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/the-media-needs-to-stop-inspiring-copycat-murders-heres-how/266439/

That's an opinion letter.

[wildfood]

You must be logged in to read this quote.

That's just not true:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/the-media-needs-to-stop-inspiring-copycat-murders-heres-how/266439/

That's an opinion letter.

By a sociologist saying that the documented success achieved in reducing copycat suicides after  mental health guidelines limited their publicity by news outlets might also be applied to reducing copy cat shooters.