Is Hillary using gun control to get to the left of Bernie?

[Likely Voter]

Today Hillary spoke out strongly for gun control.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/06/20/hillary-rodham-clinton-san-francisco-speech/28981453/

At first one may see this as just part of her trend to show her progressive side (like she has done recently with SSM, voting rights, immigration reform, etc). But with gun control, there may be an additional agenda.

From Bloomberg this week:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-19/bernie-sanders-faces-awkward-issues-for-his-liberal-allies-immigration-and-guns

Sanders actually voted against the Brady Bill and he was elected to Congress with the help of the NRA who ran ads against his opponent for supporting Gun Control. And there is one vote that Sanders is going to have trouble explaining.
Here is excerpt from Slate article titled "Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut"

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Bernie was one of only 15 Dems who voted for this (joining 49 Republicans). For the record, Hillary voted against it.

Could Hillary use the gun issue against Sanders the way Romney used immigration against Perry?

[Ebsy]

It'll be interesting to see if the media focuses on Bernie Sanders gun control positions.

[bedstuy]

People on the left don't care that much about gun control.  Gun violence isn't a big problem in Western Massachusetts or Park Slope.

[Mehmentum]

People on the left don't care that much about gun control.  Gun violence isn't a big problem in Western Massachusetts or Park Slope.

There is more to the left wing of the Democratic party than the people of Massachusetts.

[bedstuy]

People on the left don't care that much about gun control.  Gun violence isn't a big problem in Western Massachusetts or Park Slope.

There is more to the left wing of the Democratic party than the people of Massachusetts.

A lot of them live in the "Western Massachusetts/ Park Slope" area of their state.

[Mehmentum]

People on the left don't care that much about gun control.  Gun violence isn't a big problem in Western Massachusetts or Park Slope.

There is more to the left wing of the Democratic party than the people of Massachusetts.

A lot of them live in the "Western Massachusetts/ Park Slope" area of their state.

Democrats do better among lower income groups.  While affluent liberals make a lot of noise, the majority of the party is in the middle and lower class and lives in urban areas.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

People on the left don't care that much about gun control.  Gun violence isn't a big problem in Western Massachusetts or Park Slope.

Right, no one on the left lives in places like Oakland.

But this is just one issue. Sanders is much better overall than Hillary.

[WVdemocrat]

People on the left don't care that much about gun control.  Gun violence isn't a big problem in Western Massachusetts or Park Slope.

Right, no one on the left lives in places like Oakland.

But this is just one issue. Sanders is much better overall than Hillary.

This.

I would love to see Hillary try to campaign to the left of Bernie. That would be hilarious!

[Thunderbird is the word]

People on the left don't care that much about gun control.  Gun violence isn't a big problem in Western Massachusetts or Park Slope.

Except that it's those people and the yuppie/bourgeoise ex Rockefeller Republican types that are the loudest anti-gun types in the party. Plenty of Democrats support gun control, far more then those who would call themselves Socialists. I doubt this will be a deal breaker issue for all but a handful of Sanders supporters.

[Ebowed]

If this is really going to become a "wedge" issue where Clinton tries to outleft Sanders, good.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Sanders actually voted against the Brady Bill and he was elected to Congress with the help of the NRA who ran ads against his opponent for supporting Gun Control. And there is one vote that Sanders is going to have trouble explaining.
Here is excerpt from Slate article titled "Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut"

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Bernie was one of only 15 Dems who voted for this (joining 49 Republicans). For the record, Hillary voted against it.

Could Hillary use the gun issue against Sanders the way Romney used immigration against Perry?

This is a troubling vote. If Hillary's every vote is scrutinized then I don't see why the same shouldn't happen with Sanders.

[IceSpear]

Sanders actually voted against the Brady Bill and he was elected to Congress with the help of the NRA who ran ads against his opponent for supporting Gun Control. And there is one vote that Sanders is going to have trouble explaining.
Here is excerpt from Slate article titled "Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut"

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Bernie was one of only 15 Dems who voted for this (joining 49 Republicans). For the record, Hillary voted against it.

Could Hillary use the gun issue against Sanders the way Romney used immigration against Perry?

This is a troubling vote. If Hillary's every vote is scrutinized then I don't see why the same shouldn't happen with Sanders.

Yeah, we all know if Hillary made that vote the usual suspects would call her a far right gun nut.

[morgieb]

Sanders actually voted against the Brady Bill and he was elected to Congress with the help of the NRA who ran ads against his opponent for supporting Gun Control. And there is one vote that Sanders is going to have trouble explaining.
Here is excerpt from Slate article titled "Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut"

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Bernie was one of only 15 Dems who voted for this (joining 49 Republicans). For the record, Hillary voted against it.

Could Hillary use the gun issue against Sanders the way Romney used immigration against Perry?

This is a troubling vote. If Hillary's every vote is scrutinized then I don't see why the same shouldn't happen with Sanders.

Yeah, we all know if Hillary made that vote the usual suspects would call her a far right gun nut.

Difference is the usual suspects support gun rights anyway.

[RFayette]

People on the left don't care that much about gun control.  Gun violence isn't a big problem in Western Massachusetts or Park Slope.

There is more to the left wing of the Democratic party than the people of Massachusetts.

A lot of them live in the "Western Massachusetts/ Park Slope" area of their state.

In Republican states, the "Western Massachusetts/Park Slope" area tends to be very Republican:  think places like Shelby County, AL, Colin County, TX, or Hamilton County, IN.  The Dems concentrate in urban areas and those in lower income segments.

Jfern is right about places like Oakland.  Also, a growing segment of the Democratic base is both very educated and very poor, and a lot of people overlook this with the false dichotomy of elites vs poors in the Democratic coalition.  Some of the most liberal folks in the nation are the grad students/teaching assistants at universities, starving artists, folks with master's in various humanities disciplines doing indie films, etc.  

[bedstuy]

People on the left don't care that much about gun control.  Gun violence isn't a big problem in Western Massachusetts or Park Slope.

There is more to the left wing of the Democratic party than the people of Massachusetts.

A lot of them live in the "Western Massachusetts/ Park Slope" area of their state.

In Republican states, the "Western Massachusetts/Park Slope" area tends to be very Republican:  think places like Shelby County, AL, Colin County, TX, or Hamilton County, IN.  The Dems concentrate in urban areas and those in lower income segments.

Jfern is right about places like Oakland.  Also, a growing segment of the Democratic base is both very educated and very poor, and a lot of people overlook this with the false dichotomy of elites vs poors in the Democratic coalition.  Some of the most liberal folks in the nation are the grad students/teaching assistants at universities, starving artists, folks with master's in various humanities disciplines doing indie films, etc.  

What on earth are you talking about?

Did you just compare Park Slope and exurban Dallas?  I don't even comprehend that. 

I was talking about leftist types.  Leftist types aren't generally living in housing projects or 99% black inner city neighborhoods.  Take NYC for example, young poor educated leftists aren't living in Brownsville or the South Bronx.  If they're poor, they have roommates and they live in Bushwick or Harlem.

[/]

Yes

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Definately, yes, and one priority for new Congress.

[RFayette]

People on the left don't care that much about gun control.  Gun violence isn't a big problem in Western Massachusetts or Park Slope.

There is more to the left wing of the Democratic party than the people of Massachusetts.

A lot of them live in the "Western Massachusetts/ Park Slope" area of their state.

In Republican states, the "Western Massachusetts/Park Slope" area tends to be very Republican:  think places like Shelby County, AL, Colin County, TX, or Hamilton County, IN.  The Dems concentrate in urban areas and those in lower income segments.

Jfern is right about places like Oakland.  Also, a growing segment of the Democratic base is both very educated and very poor, and a lot of people overlook this with the false dichotomy of elites vs poors in the Democratic coalition.  Some of the most liberal folks in the nation are the grad students/teaching assistants at universities, starving artists, folks with master's in various humanities disciplines doing indie films, etc.  

What on earth are you talking about?

Did you just compare Park Slope and exurban Dallas?  I don't even comprehend that. 

I was talking about leftist types.  Leftist types aren't generally living in housing projects or 99% black inner city neighborhoods.  Take NYC for example, young poor educated leftists aren't living in Brownsville or the South Bronx.  If they're poor, they have roommates and they live in Bushwick or Harlem.

I thought you were using Park Slope to talk about income, so I was pointing out that similarly wealthy areas in GOP states tend to be conservative bastions and that the preponderance of liberals in a state isn't always in the wealthiest enclave of that state.  I now see you were talking more about the culture of those areas as opposed to income, in which case I'd largely agree with you.  That being said, I bet plenty of black leftists do live in those areas you described; while they may be a different flavor ideologically than what you described, I think many of them would still count as the left wing of the Democrats.   

[HillOfANight]

I don't think she's necessarily trying to out left Bernie. Just a fact that Bernie comes from Vermont where according to him, they have no gun laws and no crime.

Hillary is also to the left of him on immigration, whereas he holds more protectionist views.

Just as Huckabee is more to the right socially, but more to the left economically compared to the GOP field.

[bedstuy]

People on the left don't care that much about gun control.  Gun violence isn't a big problem in Western Massachusetts or Park Slope.

There is more to the left wing of the Democratic party than the people of Massachusetts.

A lot of them live in the "Western Massachusetts/ Park Slope" area of their state.

In Republican states, the "Western Massachusetts/Park Slope" area tends to be very Republican:  think places like Shelby County, AL, Colin County, TX, or Hamilton County, IN.  The Dems concentrate in urban areas and those in lower income segments.

Jfern is right about places like Oakland.  Also, a growing segment of the Democratic base is both very educated and very poor, and a lot of people overlook this with the false dichotomy of elites vs poors in the Democratic coalition.  Some of the most liberal folks in the nation are the grad students/teaching assistants at universities, starving artists, folks with master's in various humanities disciplines doing indie films, etc.  

What on earth are you talking about?

Did you just compare Park Slope and exurban Dallas?  I don't even comprehend that. 

I was talking about leftist types.  Leftist types aren't generally living in housing projects or 99% black inner city neighborhoods.  Take NYC for example, young poor educated leftists aren't living in Brownsville or the South Bronx.  If they're poor, they have roommates and they live in Bushwick or Harlem.

I thought you were using Park Slope to talk about income, so I was pointing out that similarly wealthy areas in GOP states tend to be conservative bastions and that the preponderance of liberals in a state isn't always in the wealthiest enclave of that state.  I now see you were talking more about the culture of those areas as opposed to income, in which case I'd largely agree with you.  That being said, I bet plenty of black leftists do live in those areas you described; while they may be a different flavor ideologically than what you described, I think many of them would still count as the left wing of the Democrats.   

Most black people aren't Bernie Sanders style leftists. 

His appeal is to younger/college activists, older hippy types and ideological left wingers.  Hillary Clinton will get the vast majority of the black vote over Bernie Sanders.

[Thunderbird is the word]

People on the left don't care that much about gun control.  Gun violence isn't a big problem in Western Massachusetts or Park Slope.

There is more to the left wing of the Democratic party than the people of Massachusetts.

A lot of them live in the "Western Massachusetts/ Park Slope" area of their state.

In Republican states, the "Western Massachusetts/Park Slope" area tends to be very Republican:  think places like Shelby County, AL, Colin County, TX, or Hamilton County, IN.  The Dems concentrate in urban areas and those in lower income segments.

Jfern is right about places like Oakland.  Also, a growing segment of the Democratic base is both very educated and very poor, and a lot of people overlook this with the false dichotomy of elites vs poors in the Democratic coalition.  Some of the most liberal folks in the nation are the grad students/teaching assistants at universities, starving artists, folks with master's in various humanities disciplines doing indie films, etc.  

That's why I also think of the way we understand the white working class politically to be limiting since technically a lot of those groups, he'll even hipster baristas would qualify as "white working class."

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Hillary is also to the left of him on immigration, whereas he holds more protectionist views.

Sanders is just more supportive of the American worker.

[SWE]

Hillary is also to the left of him on immigration, whereas he holds more protectionist views.

Sanders is just more supportive of the American worker.

Gotta protect those jobs from the scary brown people!

[RR1997]

Hillary is also to the left of him on immigration, whereas he holds more protectionist views.

Sanders is just more supportive of the American worker.

THEY TERK ER JERRRBBS!!

[Likely Voter]

I am bumping this old post with an update....

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-gun-control_5611d70ae4b0dd85030c6b3b?9lpojemi