Will Hillary do better or worse in the EC than Obama 2012 if up against Jeb?
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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2015, 01:41:43 PM »



Clinton/Kaine 276
Bush/Walker 262

With Sandoval in the GOP ticket, NV could be very close. Without Kaine in the DEM ticket, Virginia is still a narrow Clinton win. With Brown in the ticket, Ohio would probably flip to Hillary.
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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2015, 03:39:41 PM »

Clinton: 299
Bush: 235
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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2015, 03:58:09 PM »

More or less a wash, with Hillary picking up North Carolina and maybe one of Georgia/Arizona/Missouri if she's lucky while losing one or two of Florida/Colorado/Iowa.
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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2015, 05:14:27 PM »

The EC is basically random. One of the reasons it is stupid.
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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2015, 07:15:26 AM »

The EC is basically random. One of the reasons it is stupid.

I disagree (on the premise, not necessarily the conclusion).  In each of the last four elections, Democrats have carried at least the same 18 states and DC, while the Republicans have carried at least the same 22 states.  That means of the 51 available contests, 41 (over 80%) have gone the same exact way the last four cycles.  These red states and blue states have not been too random.

The recent Democratic advantage in the EC is also clear.  Those 19 contests bring them 242 electoral votes.  The 22 Republican states net them only 180.  If the Democrats again win those 19 in 2016, they're only Florida away from an electoral majority, and without it there are still many small, realistic combinations to get to 270.

Of course, this assumption gives Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to the Democrats (they've been blue since 2000), which isn't fair to the Republican nominee, but the trend doesn't look good for the GOP.
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« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2015, 07:44:36 AM »

To continue on from where Publius started. Let's say that the competitive battleground states of 2016 will have to have been within either:

1) 10% in 2012
2) 8% in 2008
3) 6% in 2004
4) 4% in 2000
or
5) 2% in 1996

In this scenario, the following states should be considered battlegrounds in 2016:

1)
Missouri
Arizona
Georgia
(Nebraska's 2nd District)
North Carolina
Florida
Ohio
Virginia
Colorado
Pennsylvania
New Hampshire
Iowa
Nevada
Wisconsin
Minnesota
(Maine's 2nd District)
Michigan


2)
Georgia
Montana
Missouri
North Carolina
Indiana
Florida
Ohio
Virginia

3)
Florida
Colorado
Nevada
Ohio
New Mexico
Iowa
Wisconsin
New Hampshire
Pennsylvania
Michigan
Minnesota
Oregon

4)
Tennessee
Nevada
Ohio
Missouri
New Hampshire
Florida
New Mexico
Wisconsin
Iowa
Oregon
Minnesota

5)
Virginia
Colorado
Georgia
Kentucky
Nevada

This scenario would give us no less than 21 battleground states, plus the two districts from Maine and Nebraska. That includes some really "surprising" and unlikely actual battlegrounds though, like Tennessee and Oregon.
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