Modern Health Education Act (Final Vote)

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Again ... "what is exceedingly unhealthy"?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Lets fix one problem with the old text before moving on to a second one.

Exceedingly unheathy needs to be defined or someone tasked with defining it as part of the implementation and deployment of these new requirments.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Fine

I'm comfortable with it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Cris, my amendment is completed right?


If so then we should proceed with fixing the "exceedingly unhealthy"?

Do we prefer to include a definition or to let an agency define it?

[Senator Cris]

Yes, Yankee's amendment has been adopted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Is there a group or body of health experts that we could draw an medically based standard from to define the vague text?

[Associate Justice PiT]

     We could base it on nutrient density. Require that school lunches meet some average nutrient density that constitutes a reasonable level of healthiness. I'd suggest 30, or the nutrient density of whole-wheat bread, as a baseline but we can go higher or lower.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What foods would 30 allow for in a given meal as an example?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Finally got the page to open. Kept jamming before for some reason.

From the looks of it though that would limit the main courses that would be acceptable. For instance, chicken breast is below 30, at 24. The only meat I see above 30 is salmon and that is rather expensive last I checked.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I meant 30 as an average. So we can have something less nutritious (like beef), but it would have to be balanced out by something more healthy (like spinach). In light of that, the average could be way higher than 30 even.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Oh I see then.

So for a text, something like "exceedingly unhealthy' is any meal where the average nutient density as figued by x, is below 30"?

[Boston Bread]

An average nutrient density mean that foods under 30 would be acceptable so long as there were more foods over 30, right?

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Responding to Senators Yankee and Canadaland, you're both on the money here.

[bore]

Isn't this one of those issues where we know it when we see it? We know fried food is not good for you, and salad is. But we also know that chips every so often is not harmful.

There is nothing wrong with a school having chips, say, once a week on a friday, while having other types of food on different days, in fact that should be applauded, and I think one blanket ban on anything below a certain amount would be a bad idea, because food is neither healthy nor unhealthy on its own, but becomes so based on how often it is had.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Isn't this one of those issues where we know it when we see it? We know fried food is not good for you, and salad is. But we also know that chips every so often is not harmful.

There is nothing wrong with a school having chips, say, once a week on a friday, while having other types of food on different days, in fact that should be applauded, and I think one blanket ban on anything below a certain amount would be a bad idea, because food is neither healthy nor unhealthy on its own, but becomes so based on how often it is had.

     What I am proposing actually lines up pretty well with what you are saying; that is, we can have less healthy food as long as we balance it out with more healthy food.

[bore]

Isn't this one of those issues where we know it when we see it? We know fried food is not good for you, and salad is. But we also know that chips every so often is not harmful.

There is nothing wrong with a school having chips, say, once a week on a friday, while having other types of food on different days, in fact that should be applauded, and I think one blanket ban on anything below a certain amount would be a bad idea, because food is neither healthy nor unhealthy on its own, but becomes so based on how often it is had.

     What I am proposing actually lines up pretty well with what you are saying; that is, we can have less healthy food as long as we balance it out with more healthy food.

Well we'd need to clarify that the balancing exists over days and not just for a meal. So the average for a week, or even a term, is 30, but individual meals can be above or below that.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well that is the one benefit of the text not having been composed yet is that we can still alter it to reflect these concerns.


So what about "exceedingly unhealthy' is defined as where the average nutient density as figued by x, is below 30 on average for the meals served during a week"?

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I think that might work better, actually. If you give the kids spinach and chips together, they'll probably just eat the chips. If you give them one one day and the other the next, they have less opportunity to avoid eating healthy food.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

I approve of Yankee's proposal as well.

[Prince of Salem]

I approve of Yankee's proposal as well.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Is their a reputed source from which we can draw that standard from? Like a real life government agency or what not as I worry about using the site linked to as an effective basis for the standard.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     That's the best I could find, sorry. We could probably entrust one of our own government agencies to develop a standard.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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"All this production just to make a single clause" - appropriation of a line from FullMetal Alchemist (only there it was stone, not 'single clause').

[Senator Cris]

Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

I support Yankee's amendment.