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« on: June 22, 2015, 07:53:42 PM »

Mitt Romney showed real leadership by demanding that South Carolina take down the Confederate flag, whereas Presidential candidate Rick Santorum cops out and says leave it to the states, showing no leadership whatsoever.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/20/mitt-romney-confederate-flag_n_7627776.html

Mitt Romney on Saturday called on South Carolina to take down the Confederate flag flying outside its statehouse.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/rick-santorum-confederate-flag-states/2015/06/21/id/651534/

It should be up to people on the state level, not the federal government, to decide if the Confederate flag should continue to fly on South Carolina's statehouse property and in other locations, GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum said Sunday.


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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2015, 07:56:01 PM »

Well, based on this, it looks like Romney will crush Santorum for the 2012 GOP nomination.
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2015, 08:03:05 PM »

Well, based on this, it looks like Romney will crush Santorum for the 2012 GOP nomination.

If  Mitt was a candidate, of course he would, then go on to win the general.

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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2015, 08:03:11 PM »

Well, based on this, it looks like Romney will crush Santorum for the 2012 GOP nomination.

I love it.
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2015, 08:15:17 PM »

Well, based on this, it looks like Romney will crush Santorum for the 2012 GOP nomination.

I love it.

As do I.  Romney epitomizes leadership, while the Republican field, including Santorum, dithers.
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2015, 08:16:49 PM »

So Winfield will spend the next 16-17 months saying "If Mitt Romney were the nominee, then…"?
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2015, 08:31:32 PM »

Everybody, please, do NOT say anything nice about Mitt, even though he speaks out for what is right, while some Republican candidates do not have the guts to step up to the plate and do the right thing.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2015, 08:32:01 PM »

This looks like Santorum is the one with guts and Romney makes a calculated move to say something popular in the wake of incident that will sway people's beliefs. Courage is calling it out when you support something not popular and have everything to lose - if this was said before the incident, then that would be courage.. Romney is not even running - he has nothing to lose.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2015, 08:44:31 PM »

Nevertheless, the facts speak for themselves.

Romney had the courage to repudiate the Confederate flag.

Santorum is simply afraid of losing primary votes and therefore lacks the courage to do the right thing.
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2015, 08:53:51 PM »

Nevertheless, the facts speak for themselves.

Romney had the courage to repudiate the Confederate flag.

Santorum is simply afraid of losing primary votes and therefore lacks the courage to do the right thing.

Since Romney isn't running, it's easy for him to have a courage Wink
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2015, 08:55:31 PM »
« Edited: June 22, 2015, 08:59:56 PM by Likely Voter »

Santorum isnt the only one who copped out to the state thing, so did Walker, Huckabee, Perry, Cruz, Jindal, Rubio and even Carson. Kasich said it should be left to the state but if he was voting he would vote to remove. Originally Graham defended the confederate flag saying it was 'part of who we are' in SC, but today (after pressure) he joined the gov in saying it should go.  Bush came the closest to saying it should go by pointing out how it was taken down in Florida. Also Pataki called for it to come down (if anyone noticed)

But in the end when you look at the reluctance by many of them to call the attack racially motivated and the reluctance to take a stand on the flag, the GOP field hasn't shown real leadership.

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2015, 08:59:43 PM »

Kasich said it should be left to the state but if he was voting he would vote to remove.

Is anyone, even on the Democratic side, going farther than that?  I mean I assume that even the people who were calling for it to be removed weren't advocating for some kind of federal intervention?  They wanted the state government to act, no?
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2015, 09:00:50 PM »

"That's not a flag I recognize... That flag, frankly, is divisive, and it shouldn't be shown." - Mitt Romney in 2007

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/06/20/how-mitt-romneys-opposition-to-confederate-flag-just-put-the-current-gop-presidential-candidates-on-the-spot/

Say what you will about Romney, but that doesn't look like a flip or a flop to me.
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2015, 09:05:44 PM »

This Republican field lacks courage.

Mitt, as is his nature, exemplifies courage.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2015, 09:16:22 PM »

the GOPers have another chance, this time with Mississippi. Amazingly the stars and bars are still part of the official flag which means that it flies everywhere. Imagine being a black school kid and having to see it every day!

So now the Republican speaker of the MS House has said it is time for it to go. Will any GOP 2016ers join in, or will they hide behind 'it is a state issue' again.

BTW, the whole 'it is a state issue' thing is kind of hilarious. These guys weigh in on non Federal government stuff on the time. Huckabee went after Beyonce for gods sake. Where is that in the constitution?
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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2015, 10:01:15 PM »

I agree it was courageous, but also politically motivated.

He's still sucking up attention in the airwaves. This isn't the only media story about him in the last few weeks. He's not acting like a guy who has accepted leaving the stage to make way for new leaders.

Why is that?
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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2015, 10:09:18 PM »

I agree it was courageous, but also politically motivated.

He's still sucking up attention in the airwaves. This isn't the only media story about him in the last few weeks. He's not acting like a guy who has accepted leaving the stage to make way for new leaders.

Why is that?

If he won't be a last minute candidate this time around (which I don't think he will, due to Jeb being in the field), he'll definitely consider and pobably run for the 2020 nomination. Though so will probably Jeb, Rubio, Rand Paul and a few others as well.
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2015, 10:15:07 PM »

How is this at all courageous?  Romney isn't running for political office and this is the common sense position.  What percentage of Americans support flying the Confederate flag?  5%?
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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2015, 10:28:07 PM »

For Romney this isn't a totally new thing....
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BTW, Huckabee defended the flag back then
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Oh and BTW, Mike Huckabee actually spoke to a conference of the openly racist Conservative Citizens Council (yes the same group that inspired the guy to kill 7 black people in a church last week)
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2015, 10:35:53 PM »

SC is one of the first states in the Republican primary. It was considered very important in the 2000 election, and Bush won it after his camp spread rumors that McCain had an illegitimate black daughter. Don't expect anything too great from most of the Republicans running.
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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2015, 10:37:03 PM »

Santorum is a joke.  He lost his senate seat by 19 points which is a record for a sitting senator in the history of the senate.  

Jeb Bush is the only candidate in the field that has showed courage.  He called Nikki Haley personally and encourage her to take the flag down and he hasn't changed his view on immigration reform.  He has guts.

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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2015, 10:44:02 PM »

Santorum is a joke.  He lost his senate seat by 19 points which is a record for a sitting senator in the history of the senate.  

Jeb Bush is the only candidate in the field that has showed courage.  He called Nikki Haley personally and encourage her to take the flag down and he hasn't changed his view on immigration reform.  He has guts.



Yes, I really do not know why he keeps running and running.  It seems to me he sticks his foot in his mouth almost every time he opens it.
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2015, 11:15:24 PM »

This is just another act of courageous and bold leadership by Governor Romney. No surprise that he said that.
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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2015, 11:27:58 PM »

This Republican field lacks courage.

Mitt, as is his nature, exemplifies courage.

It's too bad we didn't see more  of his "exemplified courage" vs. Candy Crowley.
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2015, 11:43:51 PM »

I agree it was courageous, but also politically motivated.

He's still sucking up attention in the airwaves. This isn't the only media story about him in the last few weeks. He's not acting like a guy who has accepted leaving the stage to make way for new leaders.

Why is that?

If he won't be a last minute candidate this time around (which I don't think he will, due to Jeb being in the field),

Fair enough, but I'm asserting that he hasn't really come to terms with that.
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