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Mechaman
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« on: June 24, 2015, 06:00:29 PM »

Like many trendy social topics, yes:

Isn't it funny how outrage over a Governor defending a flag is stronger on here than say the increased economic inequality that has happened under Southern Governors like Nikki Haley?  Oh yeah, I will acknowledge that does get covered eventually, but those discussions for some reason don't seem to drum up the same level of universal outrage and discussion as arcane debates like whether or not it is appropriate to have a flag of a nation that has been dead for a hundred and fifty years on the front lawn or which party was more pro-civil rights in the 1960s.

Relevant source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqfsLG6Kuz0

And you guys wonder why most people think the US Congress is a flaming bag of dog shit now days?
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2015, 10:05:45 PM »
« Edited: June 24, 2015, 10:19:43 PM by Mechaman »

Like many trendy social topics, yes:

Isn't it funny how outrage over a Governor defending a flag is stronger on here than say the increased economic inequality that has happened under Southern Governors like Nikki Haley?  Oh yeah, I will acknowledge that does get covered eventually, but those discussions for some reason don't seem to drum up the same level of universal outrage and discussion as arcane debates like whether or not it is appropriate to have a flag of a nation that has been dead for a hundred and fifty years on the front lawn or which party was more pro-civil rights in the 1960s.

Relevant source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqfsLG6Kuz0

And you guys wonder why most people think the US Congress is a flaming bag of dog shit now days?

Economic inequality is not inherently wrong.  A state government fondly memorializing racism/slavery/segregation/white supremacy is inherently wrong.  Apples and oranges.  

Oh yes, that blacks and other non-whites make an incredibly less amount of money often times well below the poverty line and have to rely on a very large amount of government welfare than whites and their daddies are a lot more likely to end up in prison and leave millions of kids fatherless due to the racist implementation of the War on Drugs is not as near as horrible as a Dixie flag hanging from the SC legislature.

You surely do have such a great moral superiority here.  If only I could see that stuff that is actually happening to poor minorities now days does not matter.

For the record, this is not a justification for keeping the confederate flag, just that I find the kind of overwhelming news attention on that subject while the very real and racist nature of income inequality in this country is almost ignored if not whitewashed from the media incredible.
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2015, 06:20:53 AM »
« Edited: June 25, 2015, 10:50:22 AM by Mechaman »

Like many trendy social topics, yes:

Isn't it funny how outrage over a Governor defending a flag is stronger on here than say the increased economic inequality that has happened under Southern Governors like Nikki Haley?  Oh yeah, I will acknowledge that does get covered eventually, but those discussions for some reason don't seem to drum up the same level of universal outrage and discussion as arcane debates like whether or not it is appropriate to have a flag of a nation that has been dead for a hundred and fifty years on the front lawn or which party was more pro-civil rights in the 1960s.

Relevant source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqfsLG6Kuz0

And you guys wonder why most people think the US Congress is a flaming bag of dog shit now days?

Economic inequality is not inherently wrong.  A state government fondly memorializing racism/slavery/segregation/white supremacy is inherently wrong.  Apples and oranges.  

Oh yes, that blacks and other non-whites make an incredibly less amount of money often times well below the poverty line and have to rely on a very large amount of government welfare than whites and their daddies are a lot more likely to end up in prison and leave millions of kids fatherless due to the racist implementation of the War on Drugs is not as near as horrible as a Dixie flag hanging from the SC legislature.

You surely do have such a great moral superiority here.  If only I could see that stuff that is actually happening to poor minorities now days does not matter.

For the record, this is not a justification for keeping the confederate flag, just that I find the kind of overwhelming news attention on that subject while the very real and racist nature of income inequality in this country is almost ignored if not whitewashed from the media incredible.

Did you not see the follow up?  The component of income inequality that is the result of past or present racism exists and is wrong.  Some inequality will always be present in a free society, however.

Yes I did.  However, you seem to laugh off the entire concept and how bad the effects are in the South and you seem to imply that taking down an admittedly bad flag deserves an incredible amount of more attention than the actual starvation, lack of jobs, and poverty that faces Black America.  TO me, actual suffering is worse than the presence of a flag on the law of a state government building.  Now maybe that is just me, actually having been down on my luck once in my life (unlike the vast majority of white people on this forum), but I feel the lot of you don't really understand how horrible that aspect of it is, nor does social media.  I would bet real money there are more posts on here about "muh confederate flag" than there ever are on income inequality, the war on drugs, job discrimination, and the whole host of very real issues facing Black America.

So no, I don't consider taking down the Confederate Flag or whatever you want to call it any sort of real victory for anybody except feel good upper middle-upper class whites who are trying to find an issue to feel good about while ignoring the real issues.

Living in fear of idiot white racists waving Confederate flags from their houses and casually calling them n-words is a concern, but that is largely the result of American society failing to tackle the issues of societal inequality.  Instead they prefer to occasionally drum up media coverage on incidents like this to make it seem like we have progressed greatly when Nixon's New Jim Crow is still a thing.
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