Trump vs. Mexico omnibus thread

[Fuzzy Bear]

Univision is becoming kind of a joke in itself but why can't the GOP find a loophole to bar this guy from debates and party functions?

 No, because Univision settles for half, 250 million, which pays for the trump campaign, and gives the model for how Mexico will pay for the wall, and, that jeb comes to the table with nothing.

 The reason why Trump is republican and not a democrat candidate is that he has very little tolerance for the weak entitlement class of excuses and homosexual proclivities'. The latter is my assumption, I do not think Trump is secretly a homosexual.
 I think Trump would prefer to be a democrat candidate however the tolerance level is beyond any rational future.

What a way to get your enemies to fund your campaign.

[Fuzzy Bear]

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/04/politics/bush-trump-immigrants/

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I like what Governor Bush said, and he was very diplomatic in stating that Trump isn't a moron, which he is.

The fact that Donald Trump is considered a legitimate Republican shows a failure of the media to hold this man accountable. He isn't successful because of his own doing, he's successful because of government corporate welfare policies, bailouts, and generous bankruptcy laws that have enabled him to use what money he already had to expand in ways small business could not. Additionally, Trump is a socialist who once supported a wealth tax and socialized medicine, he is still a protectionist who would have left Saddam Hussein in power.

Bottom line: Trump is a bigot, a sociopath, an egomaniac, and a socialist and I'm tired of this entertainer running for President. This nation is hurting, and this guy makes bigoted comments and takes air time away from serious candidates like Jeb Bush and Scott Walker.

Trump may be all of these things, but he's the most likely Republican to tell the rest of the world where they can stick NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, and TPP.  He's against the Establishment and Beltway classes; the folks who keep telling me how good "Free Trade" is for America.  He has an idea as to what it takes to maintain a middle class society, and he actually knows something about how the macro economy works.  (Scott Walker knows about state and local government.  Whoopee!)

Trump's comments were certainly inflammatory and somewhat overstates, but are there not serious problems with crime stemming from the behavior of illegal immigrants?  The 18th Street Gang (a major gang in California) has approximately 20,000 members, 12,000 of which are illegal gang members.  In Los Angeles in 2006, 2/3 of the 17,000 fugutive felony warrants in Los Angeles County, CA were for illegal aliens.  Even more remarkable, 95% of the 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicide involved illegal aliens as defendants.

Is it wrong to talk about these numbers?  Is it wrong to assert that numbers like this suggest a real problem in terms of who is able to gain entry to the United States?  Is it wrong to suggest that such a wave of immigrants involved in such activities coming from a country that has recently been awash in bloody drug violence represents the exporting of criminality from Mexico to the United States, and the result is a net decrease in public safety as a result?  Is it wrong to suggest that these problems do not occur with every immigrant group to the degree that they do with Mexican immigrants?  Because if it is wrong, then certain matters touching on the safety and welfare of individuals has become off limits for discourse; we are to operate on the assumption that immigrants from Mexico are just as law-abiding and contributory as immigrants from China and India, and that no special problems arise from their entry into the US, other than the "made up" problem of "undocumented" immigration that can be resolved by "meaningful reform".  

Mexican immigration is, in many ways, different from immigration from other countries.  They are  our neighbor, and there has never been a case of a nation being so much poorer than its neighbor as Mexico is in comparison to the US.  It's not an impossible situation to resolve the issue of immigration in a fair way, but it's not unreasonable to protect our borders, deport those illegally here, and be unapologetic about it.  There are lots of specific problems stemming from illegal immigration from Mexico and specific proposals to address this.   But it's time to get real on this.  

[Fuzzy Bear]

Aid is better than trade? Do you have any idea how much NAFTA has contributed to the Mexican economy and how much higher illegal immigration would be without it?

Thanx!

Sarcasm?

Actually, completely sincere. I agree with you on the economic analysis

I might actually agree with the premise here, but the damage to the middle class as a result of NAFTA is, to me, an overriding factor to end this "free trade".

[Fuzzy Bear]

Republicans are going to find the Hispanic vote going heavily against them in 2016. So farewell, any possibility of winning Colorado, Nevada, or Florida. Arizona will be close, and New Mexico will be a blowout. This will be enough to swing states on the brink with relatively-small Hispanic populations, like Ohio.  

There has never been the mass animus against non-black Hispanics in any part of America that there was against blacks. Democrats win big when they have massive get-out-the-vote drives.

Whatever conservative tendencies some Hispanics have are going to be better expressed among Democrats than among Republicans.

If the Republican nominee for President reaches out to hispanic and black voters, I think they can make inroads. That means listening, learning, and then talking. It means having an inclusive message.

If a Republican nominee takes an unrealistic immigration position the way Mitt Romney did in 2012, they won't make inroads with hispanic voters.

Ok -- but the damage has been done.

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I thought I saw a long bull market without a speculative bubble, a start on a civilized system of medicine, one of the squeakiest-clean administrations in decades, and a cautious foreign policy that allows the President to whack terrorists.

Return to integrity? Which one?

Republicans are going to have electoral problems until they recognize that Dubya was an awful President.

Because Obama isn't a Drama Seeker, he won't get credit for a lot of what he's done right until after history settles and people look at his record objectively, and not compared to the 2008 hype.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Trump still insisting that Mexico will pay for the US-Mexico wall he wants to build:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/donald-trump-border-mexico-wall-negotiations/

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And now following through on threats to sue people who backed out of business deals with him over the Mexico comments:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-lawsuit-against-chef-jose-andres-washington-120873.html?hp=l2_4

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Good for Trump!  Business contracts for services aren't conditional on a party saying, or refraining for saying, something in public, unless it's specifically in writing.  You made the deal, you live with it or get sued.