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Helsinkian
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« on: July 04, 2015, 11:31:14 PM »

Which side do you think would benefit more from a high turnout?
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2015, 12:27:24 PM »

VERY high rate of invalid and blank votes going from early return - up to 6% in some places.

KKE supporters?
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2015, 01:49:48 PM »

Is Tsipras still demanding Germany to pay war reparations? I wonder, if Germany were to hold a referendum on the issue, where the Germans would vote "no", would he then stop demanding them?
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2015, 12:21:41 AM »

German SPD vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel indicates Tsipras has “torn down the last bridges across which Europe and Greece could have moved toward a compromise” ...“By rejecting the rules of the game of the euro area, as expressed in the majority ‘No’ vote

The Germans are very angry. 

if there were any doubt left that the Eurozone is an antidemocratic project..

Because Gabriel has an eye on the voters that elect him?

because he alleges "Tsipras has burned the last bridges" by letting his general population directly vote on a major policy event.

if your point is this fellow is just bullsh**tting for his own purposes, that's fine.

Should the populations of Germany, Netherlands, Finland, Austria etc. also get to hold a referendum on whether they want to continue subsidizing Greece or not? Wouldn't that be the most democratic thing to do?
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2015, 01:07:13 AM »

Maybe he realised that the European leaders do not want to negotiate with a man who accuses them of being terrorists.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2015, 09:54:17 AM »

The Telegraph is claiming that Tsipras called the referendum with the expectation and secret intention that the "Yes" side would win, and that he was shocked to see the "No" side emerge victorious:

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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2015, 03:13:20 AM »
« Edited: July 10, 2015, 03:27:22 AM by Helsinkian »

So the Greeks reject an austerity plan of circa 9 billion euros in a referendum, and now a few days after the referendum they may have to swallow an austerity plan of 13 billion euros? Are the Syriza people going to admit that the referendum was a mistake?
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2015, 11:20:11 AM »

The Telegraph is claiming that Tsipras called the referendum with the expectation and secret intention that the "Yes" side would win, and that he was shocked to see the "No" side emerge victorious:

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Maybe this isn't such a crackpot conspiracy theory after all? Varoufakis says that Tsipras seemed depressed on the night of the referendum victory:

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2015, 04:11:42 PM »
« Edited: July 15, 2015, 04:14:38 PM by Helsinkian »

How many years until Germany drop the EU pretense and starts calling EU the 4th Reich?

But don't you see? They're the real victims here. Those poor, poor Germans, robbed of their precious money by those lazy Greek moochers. And they even get insulted and called Nazis! This heartbreaking plight must stop.

#weareallgermans

According to opinion polls, 64 percent of Germans think Schäuble did a good job at the negotiations, and for Merkel that figure is 62 percent. (Source)

It's called democracy. The Syriza people have talked a lot about respecting democracy in the past days, but they need to understand that they are not the only democratically elected government in the EU. If the other Eurozone countries had held referendums on whether or not to approve the bailout, you can be sure that most Eurozone countries in Northern and Eastern Europe would have voted a strong #OXI to further bailouts.
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