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« Reply #575 on: July 19, 2016, 09:15:37 PM »

The recount will commence in Herbert soon and is expected to take... a FORTNIGHT.

Are they testing every ballot in a crime lab?
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« Reply #576 on: July 23, 2016, 01:49:47 PM »

Fyck it, I hate waiting. Any changes will be tiny from this point: starting on proper maps.
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« Reply #577 on: July 23, 2016, 03:29:06 PM »

This isn't really how elections should work. The AV system isnt much better net than first past the post.
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« Reply #578 on: July 23, 2016, 03:34:59 PM »

This isn't really how elections should work. The AV system isnt much better net than first past the post.

It is though
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« Reply #579 on: July 23, 2016, 06:21:09 PM »

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« Reply #580 on: July 23, 2016, 06:38:37 PM »

It is really noteworthy how 'Coalition' Rural Australia is now.
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« Reply #581 on: July 24, 2016, 01:06:38 AM »

It is really noteworthy how 'Coalition' Rural Australia is now.
Now? It's been conservative-leaning for years. That's what population decline does to you.
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« Reply #582 on: July 24, 2016, 01:51:01 AM »

Now? It's been conservative-leaning for years. That's what population decline does to you.

How does that explain Lingiari (the seat covering almost all of the area of the Northern Territory)? It's far and away the largest seat by area held by the ALP (and since its creation in 2001). I've read that Alice Springs is more cosmopolitan than one might generally think. There's almost certainly a significant Aboriginal population in the electorate, but do they actually vote and if so, do they vote ALP (to be honest, I'm not familiar with any indigenous population in a first world developed country not voting for the centre-left party)?

In a somewhat related topic, I've wondered why the Northern Territory isn't a state. Is it because they would get more seats in the Senate as a state (quite a lot more if all states would still be considered equal)?
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« Reply #583 on: July 24, 2016, 01:54:54 AM »


Thanks! Cheesy
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« Reply #584 on: July 24, 2016, 06:11:53 AM »

Now? It's been conservative-leaning for years. That's what population decline does to you.

How does that explain Lingiari (the seat covering almost all of the area of the Northern Territory)? It's far and away the largest seat by area held by the ALP (and since its creation in 2001). I've read that Alice Springs is more cosmopolitan than one might generally think. There's almost certainly a significant Aboriginal population in the electorate, but do they actually vote and if so, do they vote ALP (to be honest, I'm not familiar with any indigenous population in a first world developed country not voting for the centre-left party)?

In a somewhat related topic, I've wondered why the Northern Territory isn't a state. Is it because they would get more seats in the Senate as a state (quite a lot more if all states would still be considered equal)?

1. Alice Springs is a big portion of the vote and the local ALP member is well-known, well-liked and has a great relationship with the local Aboriginal community. You don't have the "same" kind of established country people you have in the other states.

2.Yup - the ALP does extremely well with the Indigenous community.

3. On statehood, the Constitution only grants equal-footing to the original colonies. Any states that are created would likely have fewer than 12 Senators. I mean, people look at Tasmania with 500k people having 12 senators as a joke, how would the NT, with not much over 200k having 12 look?
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« Reply #585 on: July 24, 2016, 06:17:31 AM »

Now? It's been conservative-leaning for years. That's what population decline does to you.

How does that explain Lingiari (the seat covering almost all of the area of the Northern Territory)? It's far and away the largest seat by area held by the ALP (and since its creation in 2001). I've read that Alice Springs is more cosmopolitan than one might generally think. There's almost certainly a significant Aboriginal population in the electorate, but do they actually vote and if so, do they vote ALP (to be honest, I'm not familiar with any indigenous population in a first world developed country not voting for the centre-left party)?

In a somewhat related topic, I've wondered why the Northern Territory isn't a state. Is it because they would get more seats in the Senate as a state (quite a lot more if all states would still be considered equal)?

Only the six original states have a constitutional guarantee of equal representation in the Senate. If the Northern Territory became a state it would only have the number of Senators allowed by Parliament. The Northern Territory article in Wikipedia explains the problem.

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« Reply #586 on: July 24, 2016, 07:04:33 AM »

I'll respond to both of the above posts at once with respect to Northern Territory statehood. I'm not incorrect in my initial post that the main obstacle to statehood is representation in the Senate (where have I heard that before, lol?), am I? Is that a partisan issue? If NT votes as it does right now, I can't see any reason why the Coalition would want to give it any more power than it already has. (I would say the same overall for the ACT, but they seem to not want statehood.) Under more optimum circumstances, what could NT get even from an ALP Majority in both Houses?

1. Alice Springs is a big portion of the vote and the local ALP member is well-known, well-liked and has a great relationship with the local Aboriginal community. You don't have the "same" kind of established country people you have in the other states.

I have to say that I've always found a place like Alice Springs to be quite interesting. For such a small town (I don't think it can really be called a city), I think it's interesting that less than 75% of its residents were born in Australia and that 3% of its residents were born in the US and that they will hold celebrations for Indepedence Day and Thanksgiving. If you've never tried it before, it seems like Alice Springs will give you a taste of some of the best of America within Australia. Smiley
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« Reply #587 on: July 24, 2016, 08:08:40 AM »

The L/NP are now ahead in Herbert by...














ONE F**KING VOTE! UGH!
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« Reply #588 on: July 24, 2016, 08:20:53 AM »

Well it's bound to change Tongue

I suspect if it remains this close all the way through we'll see the vote thrown out.
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« Reply #589 on: July 24, 2016, 01:03:21 PM »

Now? It's been conservative-leaning for years. That's what population decline does to you.

How does that explain Lingiari (the seat covering almost all of the area of the Northern Territory)? It's far and away the largest seat by area held by the ALP (and since its creation in 2001). I've read that Alice Springs is more cosmopolitan than one might generally think. There's almost certainly a significant Aboriginal population in the electorate, but do they actually vote and if so, do they vote ALP (to be honest, I'm not familiar with any indigenous population in a first world developed country not voting for the centre-left party)?

In a somewhat related topic, I've wondered why the Northern Territory isn't a state. Is it because they would get more seats in the Senate as a state (quite a lot more if all states would still be considered equal)?

1. Alice Springs is a big portion of the vote and the local ALP member is well-known, well-liked and has a great relationship with the local Aboriginal community. You don't have the "same" kind of established country people you have in the other states.

2.Yup - the ALP does extremely well with the Indigenous community.

3. On statehood, the Constitution only grants equal-footing to the original colonies. Any states that are created would likely have fewer than 12 Senators. I mean, people look at Tasmania with 500k people having 12 senators as a joke, how would the NT, with not much over 200k having 12 look?

I was of the impression Alice Springs is the most Conservative part of the territory. The Alice Spirings elctorates in NT, for instance, are rock-solid CLP (maybe not this year, but eh).
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« Reply #590 on: July 24, 2016, 01:31:25 PM »

When is the button going to be pressed on some of these Senate races?
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« Reply #591 on: July 25, 2016, 09:21:34 AM »

The L/NP are now ahead in Herbert by...














ONE F**KING VOTE! UGH!

Flipped back to 73 vote ALP lead.
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« Reply #592 on: July 25, 2016, 01:29:47 PM »

It is really noteworthy how 'Coalition' Rural Australia is now.
Now? It's been conservative-leaning for years. That's what population decline does to you.

Yes, but it's not that long ago when Labor could win Grey, Kennedy or Kalgoorlie (as it was then). Now those are impossible pipe dreams...

Am I right in thinking that apart from Lingiari, the largest ALP seat by size is Eden-Monaro? That's not very large by Australian standards.
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« Reply #593 on: July 25, 2016, 01:57:12 PM »

I've been under impression that the CLP really screwed up in NT and that's why the ALP is doing so well this time.
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« Reply #594 on: July 25, 2016, 02:13:06 PM »

It is really noteworthy how 'Coalition' Rural Australia is now.
Now? It's been conservative-leaning for years. That's what population decline does to you.

Yes, but it's not that long ago when Labor could win Grey, Kennedy or Kalgoorlie (as it was then). Now those are impossible pipe dreams...

Am I right in thinking that apart from Lingiari, the largest ALP seat by size is Eden-Monaro? That's not very large by Australian standards.

There are a few big ALP seats in state elections - Giles in SA, Cook (the Cape York Peninsula), the Kimberley region etc
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« Reply #595 on: July 25, 2016, 06:56:11 PM »



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« Reply #596 on: July 25, 2016, 07:05:34 PM »

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« Reply #597 on: July 26, 2016, 11:12:31 PM »
« Edited: July 27, 2016, 12:57:51 AM by Vosem »

Button pressed in Tasmania. 5 Labor (notably including Lisa Singh, elected ahead of Catryna Bilyk), 4 Liberal (not including Richard Colbeck, who didn't make it), 2 Greens, and 1 Jacqui Lambie. Last seat was between second Green and first One Nation candidate. Nothing too surprised, but at least movement is finally happening in the Senate.

EDIT: As an aside, the race for the last seat between Nick McKim (Greens) and Kate McCulloch (One Nation) was very close -- the margin was just 21247-21106, or 141 votes. (McKim was elected under quota, as the quota was 26,090). On an amusing note, Singh actually reached the quota on preferences from Colbeck. Some voters voted for the ideologically-opposite dissidents from both major parties. Lol.
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« Reply #598 on: July 27, 2016, 12:48:12 PM »

Tasmania; Vosem, Vosem; Tasmania. I can see that you have not met before.
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« Reply #599 on: July 31, 2016, 05:32:45 AM »

It looks like there are about 7-8 seats that cover the vast majority of the area of Australia. Would anyone be interested in making a population cartogram of every electorate? I've seen maps for here in the States, but I think Australia would put us to shame in a heartbeat. (And not to impose, but maybe answer some of my questions from my previous post.)
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